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Eastern Glory wrote:Gyfox wrote:[quoteRay Gatt @Gatty54 2h2 hours ago Can't believe what I am hearing about what is happening at the Mariners. Sad times.
] Any idea of what Gatty is alluding to? [/quote] People on twitter reporting that players have been ordered to hand over phones or phone records regarding leaks. Not sure if that is what Gatty is referring to though, or if it is even true. Edited by perthjay85: 17/11/2015 11:26:32 AM
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Eastern Glory wrote:Gyfox wrote:Ray Gatt wrote: @Gatty54 2h2 hours ago Can't believe what I am hearing about what is happening at the Mariners. Sad times. Any idea of what Gatty is alluding to? Bosnar beating the shit out of Monty in the dressing room. Players leaking rumours and alike. Now having to compete with both UFC and James Bond for the entertainment dollar #moneyball Edited by Buggalugs - you should have listened... : 17/11/2015 11:22:54 AM
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Gyfox wrote:[quoteRay Gatt @Gatty54 2h2 hours ago Can't believe what I am hearing about what is happening at the Mariners. Sad times.
] Any idea of what Gatty is alluding to?[/quote] Bosnar beating the shit out of Monty in the dressing room. Players leaking rumours and alike.
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[quoteRay Gatt @Gatty54 2h2 hours ago Can't believe what I am hearing about what is happening at the Mariners. Sad times.
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Any idea of what Gatty is alluding to?
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Highlights from the Roar vs Mariners pre-season game. The goal from Fitzy was a cracker :shock: [youtube]1XL7AW2R2oM[/youtube]
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pv4 wrote:Hey guys! I'm getting an up-to-date list of the player contracts for all HAL teams. I was wondering if you could run your eye over the below, and tell me if I have left anyone out, if anyone in the list has left, if a player is/isn't a marquee/foreigner and I haven't listed it appropriately, or if any of the contract lengths are off? Any help would be hugely appreciated! Note: LEGEND * Denotes Youth Contracted player (V) Denotes Visa Player (M) Denotes Marquee (A) Denotes Aussie Marquee http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2142680CENTRAL COAST MARINERS Head Coach: Phill Moss 15/16 2014/15 Zachary Anderson Eddie Bosnar Isaka Cernak Jesse Curran NYL contract Nicholas Fitzgerald - now 2017 Brett Griffiths John Hutchinson Travis Major Nick Montgomery (V) now 2017 Hayden Morton Matthew Nash 2016 I believe Michael Neill now 2017 Dejan Pandurevic Jacob Poscoliero Matt Simon 2015/16 Mitchell Duke Liam Reddy Liam Rose* name correxted Matt Sim Tom Slater* Richárd Vernes (V) on loan 2016/17 Anthony Cáceres Anthony Kalik* Joshua Rose Storm Roux Glen Trifiro Edited by patjennings: 20/1/2015 08:53:37 PM
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Hey guys! I'm getting an up-to-date list of the player contracts for all HAL teams. I was wondering if you could run your eye over the below, and tell me if I have left anyone out, if anyone in the list has left, if a player is/isn't a marquee/foreigner and I haven't listed it appropriately, or if any of the contract lengths are off? Any help would be hugely appreciated! Note: LEGEND * Denotes NYL Youth Contract (V) Denotes Visa Player (M) Denotes Marquee (A) Denotes Aussie Marquee http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2142680CENTRAL COAST MARINERS Head Coach: Phill Moss 15/16 2014/15 Zachary Anderson Eddie Bosnar Isaka Cernak Jesse Curran Nicholas Fitzgerald Brett Griffiths John Hutchinson Travis Major Nick Montgomery (V) Hayden Morton Matthew Nash Michael Neill Dejan Pandurevic Jacob Poscoliero Matt Simon 2015/16 Mitchell Duke Liam Reddy Luke Rose* Matt Sim Tom Slater* Richárd Vernes (V) on loan 2016/17 Anthony Cáceres Anthony Kalik* Joshua Rose Storm Roux Glen Trifiro
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Central Coast Mariners FC is Wikipedia' featured article for today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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scott21 wrote:Dont shoot the messenger Quote:North Sydney Oval, one of Australia’s oldest cricket grounds, set for million-dollar upgrade ANDREA MCCULLAGH MOSMAN DAILY DECEMBER 13, 2014 12:00AM SHARE 0 Ads By Google Subaru Forester 2014Smarter, Safer, Further. Have More Fun With The Forester!subaru.com.au/Forester North Sydney Oval is one of the oldest cricket grounds in Australia. Picture: Danielle Bu The $6 million refurbishment of North Sydney Oval will feature new grandstand seating, an outdoor video screen and improved lighting for night fixtures. Picture: Danielle Butters. NORTH Sydney Oval is set for a multi-million dollar overhaul in an ambitious bid to attract top-flight sporting events and double current attendance figures.
North Sydney Council plans to spend nearly $6 million to bring the ground up to modern sporting standards, including new grandstand seating, an outdoor video screen and improved lighting for night fixtures.
The oval is one of the oldest cricket grounds in Australia, with the first pitch laid in 1867.
“I think it’s tremendous,” North Sydney Bears general manager Greg Florimo said.
“I’ve been a regular visitor to North Sydney Oval for the past 30 years and it’s certainly in need of refurbishment.”
The Bears in action at North Sydney Oval. Picture: Gregg Porteous The Bears in action at North Sydney Oval. Picture: Gregg Porteous The Bears are thrilled the plans include provisions for drop-in wicket technology. This will allow the wickets to be removed easily to allow the football codes to play during the cricket season.
“It’s important the oval is able to provide year-round access to all sporting codes,” he said.
OLYMPIC POOL IN LINE FOR RESTORATION
OVAL TO HOST LIFESTYLE FESTIVAL
PARTY IN THE PARK LINEUP REVEALED
The management of the oval has held discussions with key figures in football, rugby union, rugby league and cricket and they all have indicated their interest if the ground is improved.
More than 90,000 people attended events at the oval in the past year. It is estimated to be worth more than $3 million to the local economy.
Former Test opener Ed Cowan playing for Tasmania in the Matador One-Day Cup Tasmania v WA Former Test opener Ed Cowan playing for Tasmania in the Matador One-Day Cup Tasmania v WA at North Sydney Oval earlier this year. Picture: Phil Hillyard The council aims to double the current attendance to 200,000 a year by 2020.
The oval is already attracting high-profile events. Just last week it was the venue for the Central Coast Mariners versus Melbourne Victory A-League match.
It is also attracting cultural events — it will host North Sydney Leisure And Lifestyle Festival and the Party In The Park next year.
Like the Mosman Daily on Facebook. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/north-shore/north-sydney-oval-one-of-australias-oldest-cricket-grounds-set-for-million-dollar-upgrade/story-fngr8h9d-1227153685425 If you think the Mariners are going to wear the cost of drop in pitches then your deluded. Mariners will only play on it if its cheap and they are looking for a buyer if the council think they spent 6 million now to charge the Mariners even part of the cost for drop in pitches. Thats probably why Charlseworth did the backflip recently. Maybe North Sydney council think if they spend 6 million and get more events they can then get the big upgrade.
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Dont shoot the messenger Quote:North Sydney Oval, one of Australia’s oldest cricket grounds, set for million-dollar upgrade ANDREA MCCULLAGH MOSMAN DAILY DECEMBER 13, 2014 12:00AM SHARE 0 Ads By Google Subaru Forester 2014Smarter, Safer, Further. Have More Fun With The Forester!subaru.com.au/Forester North Sydney Oval is one of the oldest cricket grounds in Australia. Picture: Danielle Bu The $6 million refurbishment of North Sydney Oval will feature new grandstand seating, an outdoor video screen and improved lighting for night fixtures. Picture: Danielle Butters. NORTH Sydney Oval is set for a multi-million dollar overhaul in an ambitious bid to attract top-flight sporting events and double current attendance figures.
North Sydney Council plans to spend nearly $6 million to bring the ground up to modern sporting standards, including new grandstand seating, an outdoor video screen and improved lighting for night fixtures.
The oval is one of the oldest cricket grounds in Australia, with the first pitch laid in 1867.
“I think it’s tremendous,” North Sydney Bears general manager Greg Florimo said.
“I’ve been a regular visitor to North Sydney Oval for the past 30 years and it’s certainly in need of refurbishment.”
The Bears in action at North Sydney Oval. Picture: Gregg Porteous The Bears in action at North Sydney Oval. Picture: Gregg Porteous The Bears are thrilled the plans include provisions for drop-in wicket technology. This will allow the wickets to be removed easily to allow the football codes to play during the cricket season.
“It’s important the oval is able to provide year-round access to all sporting codes,” he said.
OLYMPIC POOL IN LINE FOR RESTORATION
OVAL TO HOST LIFESTYLE FESTIVAL
PARTY IN THE PARK LINEUP REVEALED
The management of the oval has held discussions with key figures in football, rugby union, rugby league and cricket and they all have indicated their interest if the ground is improved.
More than 90,000 people attended events at the oval in the past year. It is estimated to be worth more than $3 million to the local economy.
Former Test opener Ed Cowan playing for Tasmania in the Matador One-Day Cup Tasmania v WA Former Test opener Ed Cowan playing for Tasmania in the Matador One-Day Cup Tasmania v WA at North Sydney Oval earlier this year. Picture: Phil Hillyard The council aims to double the current attendance to 200,000 a year by 2020.
The oval is already attracting high-profile events. Just last week it was the venue for the Central Coast Mariners versus Melbourne Victory A-League match.
It is also attracting cultural events — it will host North Sydney Leisure And Lifestyle Festival and the Party In The Park next year.
Like the Mosman Daily on Facebook. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/north-shore/north-sydney-oval-one-of-australias-oldest-cricket-grounds-set-for-million-dollar-upgrade/story-fngr8h9d-1227153685425
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Angus wrote:Sounds great, but with the constant changing back and forth between CCM and CCF for the NPL and youth sides it is a confusing time for parents and aspiring young players, and the coaches who are trying to deliver consistent quality outcomes for the kids. Many young local players are trialling down in the Sydney regions and Newcastle because of the CCM academy uncertainty. It is also rich for Moss to talk about youth development when he was the one standing up at the trials last year and telling everyone CCM were in it for the long haul. Hopefully things will settle down into consistent, quality coaching delivery over several seasons.
I bloody hope so, because it is bloody confusing for any kids and parents involved at the moment.
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Sounds great, but with the constant changing back and forth between CCM and CCF for the NPL and youth sides it is a confusing time for parents and aspiring young players, and the coaches who are trying to deliver consistent quality outcomes for the kids. Many young local players are trialling down in the Sydney regions and Newcastle because of the CCM academy uncertainty. It is also rich for Moss to talk about youth development when he was the one standing up at the trials last year and telling everyone CCM were in it for the long haul. Hopefully things will settle down into consistent, quality coaching delivery over several seasons.
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Quote:http://www.a-league.com.au/article/nsw-clubs-overhaul-youth-systems/1p4me7mgu92ouzzeqit9g16xs[size=7] NSW clubs overhaul youth systems[/size] [size=3]Tuesday, 23 September 2014 - Michael Huguenin[/size] [size=4]It did not take long for Phil Moss to realise that Central Coast Mariners' youth development and talent identification needed an overhaul. Just two months after replacing Graham Arnold as Central Coast's coach last term, Moss waved goodbye to Michael McGlinchey and Trent Sainsbury in the January transfer window, leaving him without seven key players from the Hyundai A-League championship-winning side of the season before. While Bernie Ibini returned on loan from Shanghai SIPG, the Central Coast's squad desperately needed an injection of experience and quality. Moss signed Eddy Bosnar and Kim Seung-yong but when he looked at the Mariners' Foxtel National Youth League (NYL) team, he realised the cupboard was bare in Gosford. "And that's when I sat back and had a good hard look at it and thought, 'well, if we are a development club and openly honest about giving young Australian players a chance, then we really have to get our own backyard in order'," Moss told Goal. "It's not just about the first-team squad, it's about building for the future and progression, planning. "We're a club that's only had three coaches in 10 years and three CEOs and two owners. So we've got to make sure that there's always a progression plan in place for the players as well." Despite the Gosford-based club having set up the Central Coast Mariners Academy (CCMA) in 2012, Moss was not satisfied with the young players on offer and was not convinced they were ready for senior football. Instead he signed Hyundai A-League journeyman Isaka Cernak, plus Matt Sim and Glen Trifiro from the NSW PS4 NPL, but also made a note to improve the Mariners' talent identification and youth development processes. In July, Stu Jacobs joined the Mariners as their new Head of Youth Football, while earlier this month Central Coast unveiled the first official scouting network in the history of the Hyundai A-League. Five scouts will cover New South Wales for the Mariners, looking to identify the best young talent to join the CCMA and Central Coast's Foxtel NYL squad. "I think the first tangible benefit of the scouting network was at our National Youth League squad trials and there was a huge, huge shift in quality from what we saw last year to what we saw this year," Moss said. Moss believes that talent identification and youth development don't just make sense on the field but off the field as well. "If you look at the World Cup squad, you know, there was five or six Mariners in that squad," he said. "If you look at the [Socceroos'] game against Belgium, you had Maty Ryan, Trent Sainsbury and Alex Wilkinson all developed by the Mariners as the back three for Australia. "Things like that really show what this club's all about and that's our goal. “When Graham Arnold was in charge here, we saw something like $4.5million worth of playing talent leave the club and that's obviously contributed big time to our sustainability as a football club." For Sydney FC's new academy director Kelly Cross, the financial benefits of youth development are secondary to the on-field stability it brings. In nine seasons in the Hyundai A-League, the Sky Blues have had nine head coaches, including Steve Corica in a caretaker role and incumbent Graham Arnold. Cross wants to change Sydney from a 'coach-centred model' to a 'club-centred model' - a club that is consistent despite who is in charge of the first team. "The teams who seem to be consistently successful [around the world] are those with a club-centred model, where there's a club philosophy and it's a long-term vision that is safeguarded by the key members of the club," Cross told Goal. "So from a football point of view, it makes sense that if you're developing players in a certain way and you have a consistent playing style, then you have more chance at success with the senior team. "Then if you look at the business side of it, you might have to buy fewer players." In a salary-capped league with restrictions on foreign players, youth development and talent identification can make or break a team. As more Hyundai A-League clubs begin to develop academy structures ahead of 2016 - when each club's NYL and junior sides are expected to compete in their respective state-based competitions during the Australian winter - having the right pathways and processes in place will be critical. But for Moss it boils down to one simple concept: "The whole thing is geared towards making sure before a youth team player comes into the first-team environment, they know exactly what's expected of them as a footballer and as a person."[/size]
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ChrisV wrote:Fitzy72 wrote: I have never met a member of the club from Sydney. We're involved in one of the Academy underage teams and all the times we've been to matches in Sydney and spoken to parents there, no one has ever mentioned being a Mariners supporter / member. It sounds like a crock.
You haven't talked to the right people, or don't get around much. I've always been a CCM member, but live in the upper Sydney suburbs. Was a Northern Spirit supporter in the NSL days and followed Laurie/Hutcho/Wiko etc to CCM. I know a few who did the same. Still live in Sydney and hate Nth Sydney Oval and that other shite place on the Northern beaches where Spirit played. We should never leave Bluetongue. It is a beautiful place to go (and easier to get to than Nth Sydney Oval, even from where I live). Call me Mr 10% Edited by ChrisV: 14/5/2014 11:43:40 PM Fair play to you mate, delighted to have you on board, bring your friends.
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Fitzy72 wrote: I have never met a member of the club from Sydney. We're involved in one of the Academy underage teams and all the times we've been to matches in Sydney and spoken to parents there, no one has ever mentioned being a Mariners supporter / member. It sounds like a crock.
You haven't talked to the right people, or don't get around much. I've always been a CCM member, but live in the upper Sydney suburbs. Was a Northern Spirit supporter in the NSL days and followed Laurie/Hutcho/Wiko etc to CCM. I know a few who did the same. Still live in Sydney and hate Nth Sydney Oval and that other shite place on the Northern beaches where Spirit played. We should never leave Bluetongue. It is a beautiful place to go (and easier to get to than Nth Sydney Oval, even from where I live). Call me Mr 10% Edited by ChrisV: 14/5/2014 11:43:40 PM
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That's pretty awesome to see 5 former CCMs in the lineup, one as captain ?
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Five former stars make Socceroos Wednesday, 14 May 2014 11:19 AM Five former stars make Socceroos Five famed former Central Coast Mariners players have today been named in Ange Postecoglou’s provisional 30-man squad for the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil. Mathew Ryan (Club Brugge), Mile Jedinak (Crystal Palace), Alex Wilkinson (Jeonbuk Hyundai), Oliver Bozanic (FC Lucerne) and Tom Rogic (Melbourne Victory on loan from Glasgow Celtic FC) are all in contention to head to South America as part of the Socceroos squad for Australia’s fourth appearance at the FIFA World Cup Finals. Central Coast Mariners Head Coach Phil Moss said that everyone involved with the Club ought to be excited for Ryan, Jedinak, Wilkinson, Bozanic and Rogic. “To have five key former players involved with one of the most anticipated FIFA World Cups in history is something all our fans ought to be extremely proud of,” Moss said. “I know everyone involved with the Mariners will be glued to their televisions, football websites and reading newspapers throughout the competition as they track the progress of our boys and Australia’s national team.” “On behalf of the Club I’d like to wish Mat, Mile, Alex, Oli and Tom the best of luck during the pre-tournament camps and the tournament itself should they make Ange’s final 23 player squad,” Moss concluded. The Socceroos – minus Ryan who has two matches left to play with Club Brugge as they vie for the Belgian Pro League title – will take part in a training camp on the Central Coast from 16 to 22 May. Local football fans will have the opportunity to get up close and personal with Australia’s top players before they jet from Sydney to the land of the samba this Sunday 18 May at an open training session and fan day at Central Coast Stadium. The fan day will commence at 10:00am. Postecoglou’s squad will take on South Africa, or Bafana Bafana, in their farewell match on Monday 26 May. Kick-off at ANZ Stadium is at 7:30pm, with tickets to see the Socceroos’ final match on home soil prior to their 2014 FIFA World Cup Group B assault available via Ticketek. http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/centralcoastmariners/news-display/News--Five-former-stars-make-Socceroos/90490
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rbs wrote:Fitzy72 wrote: I have never met a member of the club from Sydney. We're involved in one of the Academy underage teams and all the times we've been to matches in Sydney and spoken to parents there, no one has ever mentioned being a Mariners supporter / member. It sounds like a crock.
I'm a platinum member, and I live in Artarmon. The couple who sit next to me live in Narellan (yes you read that right) and come up for most games. If you spend some time on CCMFans you'd discover there are a few of us who live in Sydney. Edited by rbs: 28/2/2014 07:45:28 PM Fair play to you, I'm delighted to hear that. I just find the 20% figure dodgy.
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rbs wrote:Fitzy72 wrote: I have never met a member of the club from Sydney. We're involved in one of the Academy underage teams and all the times we've been to matches in Sydney and spoken to parents there, no one has ever mentioned being a Mariners supporter / member. It sounds like a crock.
I'm a platinum member, and I live in Artarmon. The couple who sit next to me live in Narellan (yes you read that right) and come up for most games. If you spend some time on CCMFans you'd discover there are a few of us who live in Sydney. Edited by rbs: 28/2/2014 07:45:28 PM I suspect there are a few - but 20% ? sounds like a stretch at best. Or do you think there is merit in the quoted figures ?
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Fitzy72 wrote: I have never met a member of the club from Sydney. We're involved in one of the Academy underage teams and all the times we've been to matches in Sydney and spoken to parents there, no one has ever mentioned being a Mariners supporter / member. It sounds like a crock.
I'm a platinum member, and I live in Artarmon. The couple who sit next to me live in Narellan (yes you read that right) and come up for most games. If you spend some time on CCMFans you'd discover there are a few of us who live in Sydney. Edited by rbs: 28/2/2014 07:45:28 PM
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Surely this can't be true based totally on economics. It would be far cheaper to start from scratch than to transfer existing debt, relocate some quite expensive resources and facilities and live through a massive initial crowd decline carrying a great deal of resentment from the Central Coast supporters and a lack of involvement in somebody else's team by the North Sydney community.
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go you yellow wrote:Master Baiter wrote:go you yellow wrote:Btw fantastic news that Masterfoods have extended their sponsorship with CCM for another season. Hopefully this helps Charlesworth keep the club right here on the magnificent Central Coast.
MOSS = BOSS I haven't seen anything other than spin doctoring that would suggest charlesworth wants to stay on the coast........ as a matter of fact exactly the opposite. He is obviously exploring every avenue to get away from bluetongue. If he keeps going the way he is he will be able to play games at the centre of excellence so long as he provides half a dozen plastic seats for the fans to sit on. True - I do feel like im just sticking my head in the sand hoping it wont happen - but it probably will in time. Interestingly read an article today about the issues with North Sydney council with the mayor applying for an AVO against a fellow councillor - so they arent exactly a picture of stability down there ! I still dont reckon the FFA will allow too many games to drift south or anywhere else. SFC would be going bezerk. I also keep hearing about 20% of members live on the north shore - I seriously question this ! are they making this shit up to support the ambition of moving the club ? Lots of questions..... I have never met a member of the club from Sydney. We're involved in one of the Academy underage teams and all the times we've been to matches in Sydney and spoken to parents there, no one has ever mentioned being a Mariners supporter / member. It sounds like a crock. It could happen, they could build a membership base in northern Sydney, but a lot of marketing work would need to be done. The concentration of effort should be on the coast though. The thing that really pisses me off about playing matches at North Sydney / Brookvale / wherever is that you pay to become a member, get your tickets for Blue Tongue games, but not these "home" games. If they want crowds at them, include members, why am I paying for a season ticket if I can't go to some home games?
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Definitely making shit up. The club can say whatever they want about member statistics - They're the only ones with the data!
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Master Baiter wrote:go you yellow wrote:Btw fantastic news that Masterfoods have extended their sponsorship with CCM for another season. Hopefully this helps Charlesworth keep the club right here on the magnificent Central Coast.
MOSS = BOSS I haven't seen anything other than spin doctoring that would suggest charlesworth wants to stay on the coast........ as a matter of fact exactly the opposite. He is obviously exploring every avenue to get away from bluetongue. If he keeps going the way he is he will be able to play games at the centre of excellence so long as he provides half a dozen plastic seats for the fans to sit on. True - I do feel like im just sticking my head in the sand hoping it wont happen - but it probably will in time. Interestingly read an article today about the issues with North Sydney council with the mayor applying for an AVO against a fellow councillor - so they arent exactly a picture of stability down there ! I still dont reckon the FFA will allow too many games to drift south or anywhere else. SFC would be going bezerk. I also keep hearing about 20% of members live on the north shore - I seriously question this ! are they making this shit up to support the ambition of moving the club ? Lots of questions.....
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go you yellow wrote:Btw fantastic news that Masterfoods have extended their sponsorship with CCM for another season. Hopefully this helps Charlesworth keep the club right here on the magnificent Central Coast.
MOSS = BOSS I haven't seen anything other than spin doctoring that would suggest charlesworth wants to stay on the coast........ as a matter of fact exactly the opposite. He is obviously exploring every avenue to get away from bluetongue. If he keeps going the way he is he will be able to play games at the centre of excellence so long as he provides half a dozen plastic seats for the fans to sit on.
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And block our beautiful view?
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Watching some La Liga highlights, there was a stadium with a massive red cloth behind one of the goals that covers the entire area behind the goals
Should CCM employ that at Bluetongue stadium for the end where there are no seats?
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After you broke your leg did you play again Has anyone seen this on twitter, interesting stats before the derby @CCMSupportClubJan 21 #F3Derby pic.twitter.com/3YBi090QS4 Also what Kew Jaliens thinks of facing the Mariners this weekend http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/newcastlejets/news-display/Jaliens-looking-forward-to-F3-Derby/84065Edited by 3upfront: 24/1/2014 05:57:27 PM
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Btw fantastic news that Masterfoods have extended their sponsorship with CCM for another season. Hopefully this helps Charlesworth keep the club right here on the magnificent Central Coast.
MOSS = BOSS
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