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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at.
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I mean fuck, if they wanted to expand and add promotion relegation they've already got an okay competition happening ATM called the NPL... winner of the NPL playoffs could get promoted to an expanded comp, plus travel costs are minimal as it's still essentially a state based league until playoffs.
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+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change.The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. I felt this too....and the real blow was the failure to qualify for the 1998 WC when they drew with Iran 2-2. I was crushed, as I knew a golden opportunity was missed for the NSL. Had they qualified I have no doubt the NSL would still be around in some form and would have been like a hybrid version of the A league and NSL. We lost 7 years in development as a result of Iran coming back and drawing 2-2
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98 hurt, and even more so considering the group Iran got, we would have made it out of the group stage,
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+x98 hurt, and even more so considering the group Iran got, we would have made it out of the group stage, people reckon 06 was the golden generation but to me, imho, this was the strongest australian squad ever....they would have carved it up. fck that knt who ran on and ripped down the nets. 20 years later and i still want to track down and kill that mofo
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. Don't need an expanded Top division. Do need P&R
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated
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There's no way pro/rel should even be in discussion right now. 9 of the teams currently have a license for 20+ more years securing top flight football. Even after that period I don't see it as necessary. The argument that teams have no incentive to improve without relegation is an absolute cop out
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. The "Theres no money" argument. The money doesnt have to come from the tv deal. Its ffas job to secure investment. If the tv deal that they were responsible for negotiating cant cover essential things like a 2nd divison, (which it can - ffa think its smart to piss the money against the wall with marquee sugar hit fund, among other things) then they have to go above and beyond to keep us relevant and compliant in world football. The "im sorry we are too inept to find money routine" has worn thin now especially in light of the fact that ledman who own the jets invest millions into portuguese league... theyre trying really hard to pretend theres no money out there. They can ask their pal martin lee to stump up the cash. The "in the magical 10 years" argument. When japan korea and china decided to do it. They did it. And their naysayers said the same thing... in ten years... and theres no money. But their respective FAs deemed it necessary and the rest is history. We cant afford to wait 10 years while the lowy regime treats australian domestic football as their play-thing. If they're not up to it, then we need someone who is.
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+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change.The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. I felt this too....and the real blow was the failure to qualify for the 1998 WC when they drew with Iran 2-2. I was crushed, as I knew a golden opportunity was missed for the NSL. Had they qualified I have no doubt the NSL would still be around in some form and would have been like a hybrid version of the A league and NSL. We lost 7 years in development as a result of Iran coming back and drawing 2-2 Nailed it kavorka. Major turning point for the game... and certainly contributed to creating an opportunity for lowy to hijack the game.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Edit. Make that 5 big players, if Newcastle are to be allowed to compete on a level playing field with the big 4. Right now the cap is keeping the jets small - remove it and they become an australian football powerhouse.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh !
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. I wouldn't like that. I'd like to see a single top tier league of 18-20 teams that are all financially viable, that all have great stadia for a great matchday experience, that are geographically dispersed so that the majority of the Australian population could access a match within their own local city or area (or say up to 2 hours away), and that all have academies and pathways to foster young talent. Pro/rel is not necessary for that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. Don't need an expanded Top division. Do need P&R So you are in favour of 10 teams. How boring!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeh I am in favour of 14 teams no problem and for a slow careful approach. Also, any big club that gets relegated will in all likelihood yoyo back to the top tier. The fans are likely to follow them still in the second tier, so they will probably still need the big stadium and pay rent for it.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. Don't need an expanded Top division. Do need P&R So you are in favour of 10 teams. How boring! 10 teams might be the best number for the top-tier of a complete pyramid, I don't know for sure What I do know is that until there is a complete pyramid, you'll never know for sure. Adding 2 teams to the current Cartel will just keep the dumb fucks amused for a while. It adds 2 teams to the bit of the ladder that doesn't matter to anyone.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term! I'm going to go ahead a quote a guy from an MLS forum I read earlier that sums up perfectly why relegation isn't required, ESPECIALLY when we only have 10 teams, many of which struggle to even get 10k through the gates.
"What is the incentive to win in the NBA, in the NHL, in the MLB, in the NFL? What incentives are there to improve at the Olympics, or in racing? Surely, pro/rel is not the only incentive a team has to win or lose, and surely the consequences of relegation aren't present in the other named leagues or sports? So without relegation, what incentive have the Arizona Cardinals had to become a viable and competitive franchise, or hell, the Chicago Blackhawks? What incentive is there, if not the threat of relegation, for a team like the New York Mets to pull themselves up from the bottom? Is this not a completely bunk argument? MLS teams that win receive cash prizes in league and cup play, they receive cash prizes in the Open Cup, they receive cash prizes in the CCL and the CWC. It depends on their success. They receive cash from jersey and merchandise sales, they receive cash from ticket sales, they receive cash from sponsorship and partnership deals. These are all much easier when the team succeeds, yes? Surely arguing that without the threat of relegation a team has no obligation, desire or duty to win is pure bullshit, right? Likewise, isn't ignoring or handwaving the destructiveness of relegation and the avoidance of it as incentive to win also bullshit?"
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What about all those other teams in America that will be stuck in the 2nd tier forever unless the MLS hand picks them to come up? Much like here the yanks have the potential to take our game to another level but choose not to because the other tin pot sports they have that the rest of world doesn't give a shit about have closed up leagues. Leagues like the NFL and NBA Reward crap teams with high draft picks just like the AFL here, even the MLS has a draft, what sort of incentive does that give coaches and teams that aren't at the highest level to strive for something better?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term! I'm going to go ahead a quote a guy from an MLS forum I read earlier that sums up perfectly why relegation isn't required, ESPECIALLY when we only have 10 teams, many of which struggle to even get 10k through the gates.
"What is the incentive to win in the NBA, in the NHL, in the MLB, in the NFL? What incentives are there to improve at the Olympics, or in racing? Surely, pro/rel is not the only incentive a team has to win or lose, and surely the consequences of relegation aren't present in the other named leagues or sports? So without relegation, what incentive have the Arizona Cardinals had to become a viable and competitive franchise, or hell, the Chicago Blackhawks? What incentive is there, if not the threat of relegation, for a team like the New York Mets to pull themselves up from the bottom? Is this not a completely bunk argument? MLS teams that win receive cash prizes in league and cup play, they receive cash prizes in the Open Cup, they receive cash prizes in the CCL and the CWC. It depends on their success. They receive cash from jersey and merchandise sales, they receive cash from ticket sales, they receive cash from sponsorship and partnership deals. These are all much easier when the team succeeds, yes? Surely arguing that without the threat of relegation a team has no obligation, desire or duty to win is pure bullshit, right? Likewise, isn't ignoring or handwaving the destructiveness of relegation and the avoidance of it as incentive to win also bullshit?"
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Expansion thread has been converted to P&R thread 
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+xExpansion thread has been converted to P&R thread Mission accomplished boys
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term! I'm going to go ahead a quote a guy from an MLS forum I read earlier that sums up perfectly why relegation isn't required, ESPECIALLY when we only have 10 teams, many of which struggle to even get 10k through the gates.
"What is the incentive to win in the NBA, in the NHL, in the MLB, in the NFL? What incentives are there to improve at the Olympics, or in racing? Surely, pro/rel is not the only incentive a team has to win or lose, and surely the consequences of relegation aren't present in the other named leagues or sports? So without relegation, what incentive have the Arizona Cardinals had to become a viable and competitive franchise, or hell, the Chicago Blackhawks? What incentive is there, if not the threat of relegation, for a team like the New York Mets to pull themselves up from the bottom? Is this not a completely bunk argument? MLS teams that win receive cash prizes in league and cup play, they receive cash prizes in the Open Cup, they receive cash prizes in the CCL and the CWC. It depends on their success. They receive cash from jersey and merchandise sales, they receive cash from ticket sales, they receive cash from sponsorship and partnership deals. These are all much easier when the team succeeds, yes? Surely arguing that without the threat of relegation a team has no obligation, desire or duty to win is pure bullshit, right? Likewise, isn't ignoring or handwaving the destructiveness of relegation and the avoidance of it as incentive to win also bullshit?" Agree that the incentive to win is there regardless of pro/rel or not. The incentive to NOT LOSE is greater with pro/rel.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term! I'm going to go ahead a quote a guy from an MLS forum I read earlier that sums up perfectly why relegation isn't required, ESPECIALLY when we only have 10 teams, many of which struggle to even get 10k through the gates.
"What is the incentive to win in the NBA, in the NHL, in the MLB, in the NFL? What incentives are there to improve at the Olympics, or in racing? Surely, pro/rel is not the only incentive a team has to win or lose, and surely the consequences of relegation aren't present in the other named leagues or sports? So without relegation, what incentive have the Arizona Cardinals had to become a viable and competitive franchise, or hell, the Chicago Blackhawks? What incentive is there, if not the threat of relegation, for a team like the New York Mets to pull themselves up from the bottom? Is this not a completely bunk argument? MLS teams that win receive cash prizes in league and cup play, they receive cash prizes in the Open Cup, they receive cash prizes in the CCL and the CWC. It depends on their success. They receive cash from jersey and merchandise sales, they receive cash from ticket sales, they receive cash from sponsorship and partnership deals. These are all much easier when the team succeeds, yes? Surely arguing that without the threat of relegation a team has no obligation, desire or duty to win is pure bullshit, right? Likewise, isn't ignoring or handwaving the destructiveness of relegation and the avoidance of it as incentive to win also bullshit?" Agree that the incentive to win is there regardless of pro/rel or not. The incentive to NOT LOSE is greater with pro/rel. In most pro american sports and afl here the incentive when youre at the bottom is to keep losing to secure better draft picks, its a joke.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]The NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term! I'm going to go ahead a quote a guy from an MLS forum I read earlier that sums up perfectly why relegation isn't required, ESPECIALLY when we only have 10 teams, many of which struggle to even get 10k through the gates.
"What is the incentive to win in the NBA, in the NHL, in the MLB, in the NFL? What incentives are there to improve at the Olympics, or in racing? Surely, pro/rel is not the only incentive a team has to win or lose, and surely the consequences of relegation aren't present in the other named leagues or sports? So without relegation, what incentive have the Arizona Cardinals had to become a viable and competitive franchise, or hell, the Chicago Blackhawks? What incentive is there, if not the threat of relegation, for a team like the New York Mets to pull themselves up from the bottom? Is this not a completely bunk argument? MLS teams that win receive cash prizes in league and cup play, they receive cash prizes in the Open Cup, they receive cash prizes in the CCL and the CWC. It depends on their success. They receive cash from jersey and merchandise sales, they receive cash from ticket sales, they receive cash from sponsorship and partnership deals. These are all much easier when the team succeeds, yes? Surely arguing that without the threat of relegation a team has no obligation, desire or duty to win is pure bullshit, right? Likewise, isn't ignoring or handwaving the destructiveness of relegation and the avoidance of it as incentive to win also bullshit?" Agree that the incentive to win is there regardless of pro/rel or not. The incentive to NOT LOSE is greater with pro/rel. In most pro american sports and afl here the incentive when youre at the bottom is to keep losing to secure better draft picks, its a joke. The only joke here is that you're talking about pro/rel when our league only has 10 teams, most of which are bleeding money
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x[quote]+x[quote]The NSL had a 3-4 year run on pay tv back when many people didn't have it, and the few that did were already split between 2 pay providers, the other issue was aside from showing a few lives games a week the NSL had no other type of coverage on the platform, think of where the NBL sits in the pecking order now at fox but much much worse, most of the televised games featured northern spirit, Perth glory and south Melbourne, not surprisingly these 3 clubs had the biggest crowds, the rest were regularly ignored so the coverage was useless to them, even when abc was showing 1 live game a week they were basically showing the same teams and the only way you got on tv is If you played the 3 mentioned, the south Melbourne games on Sundays were usually delayed as well as only Friday and Saturday night games were shown live. They were also paying peanuts at the time.The game obviously had no internet/social media presence back then, this didn't allow the players to become celebrities, nowadays even the presenters are well known, Tara, bozza etc, back then I think it was Paul wade and mike cockerill, they would be on tv twice a week and then never seen or heard feom again until the following week. You didn't have channels like fox sports news that would have daily NSL segments the way it is now.Would the NSL have survived if a provider like fox had come to the party? Yes, would crowd averages be as big as they are now? No, because you would still have a large number of teams in Sydney and Melbourne where the support would be split. Did the NSL fold at the absolute wrong time? Yes yes yes, it died in 2004 just as the Internet/social side was on the verge of taking off, add World Cup qualification and it's dream land.I have no mentioned sbs coverage at all up until now because back then most only put it on after 10 to watch softcore porn so it had releatively little meaning outside of the few wogs who watched it during the day. Thank you very much for this insight South melbourne. Most interesting and informative as opposed to the scare-mongering. I remember the NSL days, and there were many positives. South Melbourne was one, along with Perth Glory and Adelaide United. It was on the cusp of major change. The metamorphosis into the HAL has not been all it is cracked up to be. We have lost a lot of history. The problem is as you point out we have lost a lot of history. A case in point is the emphasis on Berisha beating Archie's goal scoring record with scant mention or regard given to Mori's real record. While not advocating for or against any team I think the metamorphosis into the HAL is exactly what it is cracked up to be, it is just not what it could be. Too right. I can't believe they disregarded Mori's goal scoring feat. The stats should be combined. HAL is a private venture specifically designed to shit on the past, it has no right to claim real footballs history It's not claiming history. It's about recognition of Mori's (and everyone else's) NSL records. Who cares if the HAL creates it's own stats. It's just the HAL pulling it's own Pud. You are just the other side of the coin to those who are against expansion. I'm against expansion You want a league of only 10 teams? 12, 14 or 16 teams that can't get relegated is going to be just as boring. Maybe worse, more teams seasons will be over sooner You can promote the winner of the 2nd Div if you want though Yes as I said, i want the best of both worlds. I want an expanded league, a second tier plus promotion and relegation between the 2 tiers, plus a play off every year between the Champions of all the NPLs for promotion into Tier 2, provided they have the resources. Gives everyone something to play for and something to aim at. I think it's safe to say that everyone here would like that. The issue at hand however is making it vastly viable, especially for the clubs in the lower division. If a big club gets relegated, there needs to be a large enough parachute payment to cover the losses it will incur, and im not talking about the players on the field, im talking about all other aspects such as covering stadium rent which no doubt will be longer than year on year deals, not to mention the multiple dozens of staff that will also unlikely be on 12 month contracts. The latest TV deal doesn't allow room for payments to setup a second division. Let's get to 14 teams asap and change the fixture setup to be a purely home and away schedule. This will help with repetitive fixture fatigue. Then after the next broadcast deal we can look at introducing a second division with the idea of pro/rele being introduced a few years after that. Perhaps initially promotion only to get the A-league up to 16 teams then introduce relegation. It can be accomplished in 10 years but not sooner imo. Yeah no way both Melbourne or Sydney teams would be relegated This. Dreaming if he thinks the 4 big players get relegated. Would be interesting, but we can't have that eh ! The beauty of P/R. Good point though. Man uniteds relegation sure was the final nail in the coffin for them....................NOT! Really this, coupled with the relegation of Man City to the third tier and their subsequent rise, is a big reason why promotion and relegation works. If a big club, such as Man United, is relegated, they pull out all stops to get back into the top division. Indeed, the renewal of Man City to the power house they are is also a great story. The nay sayers who say the big teams must always be in the top division do not know their history. If Brisbane Roar were relegated, their numbers of fans would drop off, but I'm sure the owners would be getting marquee's and whatever else was necessary to get back into the A League rather than sit in the A2 League. The reality is that such a story would actually increase their fan base long term! I'm going to go ahead a quote a guy from an MLS forum I read earlier that sums up perfectly why relegation isn't required, ESPECIALLY when we only have 10 teams, many of which struggle to even get 10k through the gates.
"What is the incentive to win in the NBA, in the NHL, in the MLB, in the NFL? What incentives are there to improve at the Olympics, or in racing? Surely, pro/rel is not the only incentive a team has to win or lose, and surely the consequences of relegation aren't present in the other named leagues or sports? So without relegation, what incentive have the Arizona Cardinals had to become a viable and competitive franchise, or hell, the Chicago Blackhawks? What incentive is there, if not the threat of relegation, for a team like the New York Mets to pull themselves up from the bottom? Is this not a completely bunk argument? MLS teams that win receive cash prizes in league and cup play, they receive cash prizes in the Open Cup, they receive cash prizes in the CCL and the CWC. It depends on their success. They receive cash from jersey and merchandise sales, they receive cash from ticket sales, they receive cash from sponsorship and partnership deals. These are all much easier when the team succeeds, yes? Surely arguing that without the threat of relegation a team has no obligation, desire or duty to win is pure bullshit, right? Likewise, isn't ignoring or handwaving the destructiveness of relegation and the avoidance of it as incentive to win also bullshit?" Agree that the incentive to win is there regardless of pro/rel or not. The incentive to NOT LOSE is greater with pro/rel. In most pro american sports and afl here the incentive when youre at the bottom is to keep losing to secure better draft picks, its a joke. [/quote]The only joke here is that you're talking about pro/rel when our league only has 10 teams, most of which are bleeding money No youre wrong as usual. The model is the problem.
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