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+x+xRemember last week when I said this was a strong bid? It has EVERYTHING! The stadium in this location, with the land gifted by the Council is a GAME Changer. It's a win-win-win. Win for football with: more local derbies for Victory and City, in the heartland of Melbourne's football community (more local clubs and registered players than any other LGA), demographics that are likely to support football (high immigrant population from countries with strong football traditions), great location for opposition supporters with train/bus access and freeway access, most Victory/City supporters are probably less than an hour travel from the stadium. The team should be well supported. Win for South East Melbourne: This area is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation. All 3 local Councils want to "bring Melbourne to the south east" not have to go to Melbourne CBD. The Monash freeway is a nightmare. It takes anywhere from 1.5 to nearly 2 hours to drive to and from the CBD on the Monash carpark in peak hour to the biggest. It takes about 35-45 minutes going on the Monash when you're going 'the other way' in peak hour. There are people out here who are 'fatigued' from driving the Monash every day who will not go to the city to attend football matches or other events, even though they are not on at the peak hour travel times. However, these people just might go to a local stadium. Win for FFA and Fox: Melbourne t.v timeslot. Fish where the fish are, backed by investors with money and previous experience in the competition (Gerry Ryan). Really, it's a great bid. Will they be crowd pullers interstate? Unlikely Will they command top tier tv ratings? Also unlikely. Of course this shouldnt matter but since everything is about metrics these things fo go into consideration. Adelaide united v dandenong doesnt exactly wet the appetite. Dandenong vs the other Melbourne clubs would though, there would be an extra 4-6 derbies a season which fits the metrics.
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I'd like to see...
A League/W League/AY League program/WY League program
26 team (3 tier comp) 10-8-8
Qld (6)
Brisbane, Brisbane City, Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast, Cairns, Townsville
Nsw (6)
Sydney, Sydney City, Western Sydney, Newcastle, Central Coast, Wollongong
Vic (6)
Melbourne, Melbourne City, Sth Melbourne, Dandenong, Geelong, Bendigo
Sa (3)
Adelaide, Adelaide city, West Adelaide
Wa (2)
Perth, Perth city
Tas (1)
Hobart
Act (1)
Canberra
Nt (1)
Darwin
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+x+x+xRemember last week when I said this was a strong bid? It has EVERYTHING! The stadium in this location, with the land gifted by the Council is a GAME Changer. It's a win-win-win. Win for football with: more local derbies for Victory and City, in the heartland of Melbourne's football community (more local clubs and registered players than any other LGA), demographics that are likely to support football (high immigrant population from countries with strong football traditions), great location for opposition supporters with train/bus access and freeway access, most Victory/City supporters are probably less than an hour travel from the stadium. The team should be well supported. Win for South East Melbourne: This area is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation. All 3 local Councils want to "bring Melbourne to the south east" not have to go to Melbourne CBD. The Monash freeway is a nightmare. It takes anywhere from 1.5 to nearly 2 hours to drive to and from the CBD on the Monash carpark in peak hour to the biggest. It takes about 35-45 minutes going on the Monash when you're going 'the other way' in peak hour. There are people out here who are 'fatigued' from driving the Monash every day who will not go to the city to attend football matches or other events, even though they are not on at the peak hour travel times. However, these people just might go to a local stadium. Win for FFA and Fox: Melbourne t.v timeslot. Fish where the fish are, backed by investors with money and previous experience in the competition (Gerry Ryan). Really, it's a great bid. Will they be crowd pullers interstate? Unlikely Will they command top tier tv ratings? Also unlikely. Of course this shouldnt matter but since everything is about metrics these things fo go into consideration. Adelaide united v dandenong doesnt exactly wet the appetite. Dandenong vs the other Melbourne clubs would though, there would be an extra 4-6 derbies a season which fits the metrics. Derbies are derbies. You could throw in dandy thunder or dandy city and it would have the same effect. Its how you do away from the derbies that counts, what sort of crowd pulling ability you have away from home. Before the CFG takeover Melb Heart had brutal interest interstate and even less so on tv. Theyre gonna have to go big here and chase names to meet the metrics mark. As i said this shouldnt matter but we have such a stupid flawed model it will impact.
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+xRemember last week when I said this was a strong bid? It has EVERYTHING! The stadium in this location, with the land gifted by the Council is a GAME Changer. It's a win-win-win. Win for football with: more local derbies for Victory and City, in the heartland of Melbourne's football community (more local clubs and registered players than any other LGA), demographics that are likely to support football (high immigrant population from countries with strong football traditions), great location for opposition supporters with train/bus access and freeway access, most Victory/City supporters are probably less than an hour travel from the stadium. The team should be well supported. Win for South East Melbourne: This area is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation. All 3 local Councils want to "bring Melbourne to the south east" not have to go to Melbourne CBD. The Monash freeway is a nightmare. It takes anywhere from 1.5 to nearly 2 hours to drive to and from the CBD on the Monash carpark in peak hour to the biggest. It takes about 35-45 minutes going on the Monash when you're going 'the other way' in peak hour. There are people out here who are 'fatigued' from driving the Monash every day who will not go to the city to attend football matches or other events, even though they are not on at the peak hour travel times. However, these people just might go to a local stadium. Win for FFA and Fox: Melbourne t.v timeslot. Fish where the fish are, backed by investors with money and previous experience in the competition (Gerry Ryan). Really, it's a great bid. Is this still under the current broken operating model? Just asking for a friend..
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City Sam
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+x+x+x+xRemember last week when I said this was a strong bid? It has EVERYTHING! The stadium in this location, with the land gifted by the Council is a GAME Changer. It's a win-win-win. Win for football with: more local derbies for Victory and City, in the heartland of Melbourne's football community (more local clubs and registered players than any other LGA), demographics that are likely to support football (high immigrant population from countries with strong football traditions), great location for opposition supporters with train/bus access and freeway access, most Victory/City supporters are probably less than an hour travel from the stadium. The team should be well supported. Win for South East Melbourne: This area is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation. All 3 local Councils want to "bring Melbourne to the south east" not have to go to Melbourne CBD. The Monash freeway is a nightmare. It takes anywhere from 1.5 to nearly 2 hours to drive to and from the CBD on the Monash carpark in peak hour to the biggest. It takes about 35-45 minutes going on the Monash when you're going 'the other way' in peak hour. There are people out here who are 'fatigued' from driving the Monash every day who will not go to the city to attend football matches or other events, even though they are not on at the peak hour travel times. However, these people just might go to a local stadium. Win for FFA and Fox: Melbourne t.v timeslot. Fish where the fish are, backed by investors with money and previous experience in the competition (Gerry Ryan). Really, it's a great bid. Will they be crowd pullers interstate? Unlikely Will they command top tier tv ratings? Also unlikely. Of course this shouldnt matter but since everything is about metrics these things fo go into consideration. Adelaide united v dandenong doesnt exactly wet the appetite. Dandenong vs the other Melbourne clubs would though, there would be an extra 4-6 derbies a season which fits the metrics. Derbies are derbies. You could throw in dandy thunder or dandy city and it would have the same effect. Its how you do away from the derbies that counts, what sort of crowd pulling ability you have away from home. Before the CFG takeover Melb Heart had brutal interest interstate and even less so on tv. Theyre gonna have to go big here and chase names to meet the metrics mark. As i said this shouldnt matter but we have such a stupid flawed model it will impact. But which teams would actually create immediate interstate interest apart from your lot
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+x+xtop idea everyone trawl through 6 years of posts , see if anyone mentioned anything slightly like what some Journo's running this week. Actually I think you have to give some credit to "paladisious". He called the exact site and you are just looking silly having a go at him for doing so. Pala has brought up that site quite a number of times. I remember posting that its too tight for a stadium and it is but they have squeezed a small stadium on it with the ability for a small expansion in future. The location is perfect.
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Great location for a team and stadium imo. Derbies against Melbourne teams will be massive occasions. No new team introduced (except South Melbourne) is going to have any interstate rivalries. I personally think a small intimate stadium packed out with passionate fans every week is the best viewing on TV.
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All this bid process does is prolong the inevitable. Let's assume 2 bids get selected (or 3 if Wellington gets booted). Interest will go up for 2, 3, 4 or 5 years and then we'll be back to square one with the same repetition, top 6 (maybe top 8 to maintain interest) and no link to any sort of pyramid. It's fucked. I was an A-League fan for a long time, loved the finals on Friday and Saturday night which were great theatre, but this thing is dying a slow death.
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+xNsw (6)Sydney, Sydney City, Western Sydney, Newcastle, Central Coast, Wollongong What the hell is "Sydney City" supposed to represent? If you are going to have 6 teams, it would probably be better to have something like: Sydney FC, WSW, either South-West Sydney or Nepean, Wollongong, Central Coast, Newcastle
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reminds me of the old NSL: where if you had mates in high places things can get done
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P&R will fix it 2.0
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+xAll this bid process does is prolong the inevitable. Let's assume 2 bids get selected (or 3 if Wellington gets booted). Interest will go up for 2, 3, 4 or 5 years and then we'll be back to square one with the same repetition, top 6 (maybe top 8 to maintain interest) and no link to any sort of pyramid. It's fucked. I was an A-League fan for a long time, loved the finals on Friday and Saturday night which were great theatre, but this thing is dying a slow death. Can I interest you in a Relegation Battle ? http://forum.insidesport.com.au/2496954/The-Practice-Relegation-Battle-Thread
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Just letting you guys know I'm holding a press conference later...
I have a piece of land and would love to build a stadium on it, I just need the government to give me $170 million for it.
Hopefully they'll promise it to me as an election promise for an election that won't be won till after the two new franchises are announced.
Cheers
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+x+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. Realistically only 2-3 spots are up for grabs, its between southern expansion, the plastic version of brisbane city and this team11 thing. You would have to be delusional to think the likes of wolves, sm and adl city have a chance under the current model. yep agree. maybe SMH might be better off having some sort alignment with Team 11? this is a great announcement. exciting. but I would like to see more details. how much are the 3 local councils contributing? How much is Gerry Ryan contributing? How much funding do they want from the government? certainly good timing with an election coming in 7 months. $170 million feels like a pittance in comparison to the $500+ million they are handing the AFL
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I love how much wank is on this thread. There is zero commitment with nothing but ifs and buts. Its also an election year so theres certainly no guarantee. As for people as a result of this speculative bid adding in darwin 5 sydneys and whatever. Get real. Seriously need to pull your heads in when we have grown by 2 teams in the last almost 13 years now and none of whom have their own stadium.
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I don't think you understand how big a deal it is for the team11 bid to have the local council gifting them the land and Gerry Ryan on board.
These moves have pretty much sealed the deal that this WILL be one of the bids that is accepted.
Already investors are trying to get on board.
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+xI love how much wank is on this thread. There is zero commitment with nothing but ifs and buts. Its also an election year so theres certainly no guarantee. As for people as a result of this speculative bid adding in darwin 5 sydneys and whatever. Get real. Seriously need to pull your heads in when we have grown by 2 teams in the last almost 13 years now and none of whom have their own stadium. i think the idea is fairly serious. melbourne is fucked if it doesnt decentralise better. it's going to crack 5 million this year and is already struggling to cope. if you are going to pull new arrivals away from the city centre you need somewhere else for them to go that is actually liveable. they are going to have to spend billions to acquire property and increase road and public transport capacity - doing it away from the city centre is much more viable.
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+x+xI love how much wank is on this thread. There is zero commitment with nothing but ifs and buts. Its also an election year so theres certainly no guarantee. As for people as a result of this speculative bid adding in darwin 5 sydneys and whatever. Get real. Seriously need to pull your heads in when we have grown by 2 teams in the last almost 13 years now and none of whom have their own stadium. i think the idea is fairly serious. melbourne is fucked if it doesnt decentralise better. it's going to crack 5 million this year and is already struggling to cope. if you are going to pull new arrivals away from the city centre you need somewhere else for them to go that is actually liveable. they are going to have to spend billions to acquire property and increase road and public transport capacity - doing it away from the city centre is much more viable. I agree regarding decentralisation however this is not a great idea .The plan is based upon Casey Fields, a football oval.
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+x+x+xI love how much wank is on this thread. There is zero commitment with nothing but ifs and buts. Its also an election year so theres certainly no guarantee. As for people as a result of this speculative bid adding in darwin 5 sydneys and whatever. Get real. Seriously need to pull your heads in when we have grown by 2 teams in the last almost 13 years now and none of whom have their own stadium. i think the idea is fairly serious. melbourne is fucked if it doesnt decentralise better. it's going to crack 5 million this year and is already struggling to cope. if you are going to pull new arrivals away from the city centre you need somewhere else for them to go that is actually liveable. they are going to have to spend billions to acquire property and increase road and public transport capacity - doing it away from the city centre is much more viable. I agree regarding decentralisation however this is not a great idea .The plan is based upon Casey Fields, a football oval. Its not at Casey Fields, its 100m from Dandenong station. Casey Fields is where their training grounds will be.
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+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. +x+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. Realistically only 2-3 spots are up for grabs, its between southern expansion, the plastic version of brisbane city and this team11 thing. You would have to be delusional to think the likes of wolves, sm and adl city have a chance under the current model. Not necessarily..... Costs in running a business are generally broken down between Fixed & Variable costs ... the Fixed costs don't change that much, and Variable costs change in relation to size. We can assume in the existing media deal FFA have covered all their fixed costs meaning all new revenue can go to the teams... another screaming reason to expand... Consider Fox have paid 50 million for 10 teams so 5 million per teams, the same rate thats 5 million per team that can be spent on the team by FFA which is more than they currently do.... Take 10 & 9 largely without sport we have say 4 games available for FTA [ie 10 deal is for only two years]. Assume 5 million per game thats another 20 million less the 4 million 10 currently pay. So an additional 16 million or one million per team.. FFA claim they spent with travel and wages 4.8 million per team, add one million to this and its close to the 6 million the clubs want....
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+xI don't think you understand how big a deal it is for the team11 bid to have the local council gifting them the land and Gerry Ryan on board.These moves have pretty much sealed the deal that this WILL be one of the bids that is accepted.Already investors are trying to get on board. Pretty much is not actually.
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This looks brilliant!
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+x+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. +x+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. Realistically only 2-3 spots are up for grabs, its between southern expansion, the plastic version of brisbane city and this team11 thing. You would have to be delusional to think the likes of wolves, sm and adl city have a chance under the current model. Not necessarily..... Costs in running a business are generally broken down between Fixed & Variable costs ... the Fixed costs don't change that much, and Variable costs change in relation to size. We can assume in the existing media deal FFA have covered all their fixed costs meaning all new revenue can go to the teams... another screaming reason to expand... Consider Fox have paid 50 million for 10 teams so 5 million per teams, the same rate thats 5 million per team that can be spent on the team by FFA which is more than they currently do.... Take 10 & 9 largely without sport we have say 4 games available for FTA [ie 10 deal is for only two years]. Assume 5 million per game thats another 20 million less the 4 million 10 currently pay. So an additional 16 million or one million per team.. FFA claim they spent with travel and wages 4.8 million per team, add one million to this and its close to the 6 million the clubs want.... 
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12 teams is not enough, if the iron is white hot we need to move to 14 teams quickly.
2 in 2019/20 and 2 in the following season or after that.
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+x+xRemember last week when I said this was a strong bid? It has EVERYTHING! The stadium in this location, with the land gifted by the Council is a GAME Changer. It's a win-win-win. Win for football with: more local derbies for Victory and City, in the heartland of Melbourne's football community (more local clubs and registered players than any other LGA), demographics that are likely to support football (high immigrant population from countries with strong football traditions), great location for opposition supporters with train/bus access and freeway access, most Victory/City supporters are probably less than an hour travel from the stadium. The team should be well supported. Win for South East Melbourne: This area is one of the fastest growing areas in the nation. All 3 local Councils want to "bring Melbourne to the south east" not have to go to Melbourne CBD. The Monash freeway is a nightmare. It takes anywhere from 1.5 to nearly 2 hours to drive to and from the CBD on the Monash carpark in peak hour to the biggest. It takes about 35-45 minutes going on the Monash when you're going 'the other way' in peak hour. There are people out here who are 'fatigued' from driving the Monash every day who will not go to the city to attend football matches or other events, even though they are not on at the peak hour travel times. However, these people just might go to a local stadium. Win for FFA and Fox: Melbourne t.v timeslot. Fish where the fish are, backed by investors with money and previous experience in the competition (Gerry Ryan). Really, it's a great bid. Will they be crowd pullers interstate? Unlikely Will they command top tier tv ratings? Also unlikely. Of course this shouldnt matter but since everything is about metrics these things fo go into consideration. Adelaide united v dandenong doesnt exactly wet the appetite. I'd more likely do a weekend or holiday away down mornington peninsula with the missus/family and attend a AUFC v dandenong match than a trip to Melbourne with or without the family to see either of the current Melbourne clubs.
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Band aid solution to a gaping hole in the femoral artery.
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Am I alone in wanting their name to stay as "Team 11" if they join the comp?
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+x+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. +x+x+xExpand to 14, these bids are delicious nay expand to 16 ... one of the Brisbane bids the two Sydney bids Gong Casey / Dand Adl City Thats 6 Then out with the Nix in with South Melbourne. Realistically only 2-3 spots are up for grabs, its between southern expansion, the plastic version of brisbane city and this team11 thing. You would have to be delusional to think the likes of wolves, sm and adl city have a chance under the current model. Not necessarily..... Costs in running a business are generally broken down between Fixed & Variable costs ... the Fixed costs don't change that much, and Variable costs change in relation to size. We can assume in the existing media deal FFA have covered all their fixed costs meaning all new revenue can go to the teams... another screaming reason to expand... Consider Fox have paid 50 million for 10 teams so 5 million per teams, the same rate thats 5 million per team that can be spent on the team by FFA which is more than they currently do.... Take 10 & 9 largely without sport we have say 4 games available for FTA [ie 10 deal is for only two years]. Assume 5 million per game thats another 20 million less the 4 million 10 currently pay. So an additional 16 million or one million per team.. FFA claim they spent with travel and wages 4.8 million per team, add one million to this and its close to the 6 million the clubs want.... All the new revenue can't go to the clubs. A 12 team competition increases the number of games by 63 which increases all the FFA's variable costs for the likes of match officials, transport etc etc by about 45%. A 14 team league of 2 rounds has less games than 12x3 rounds but the overall cost would increase due to the distribution to the extra clubs. Fox hasn't paid $50m for the broadcast rights for the A-League either. Currently the rights are worth $44m but that includes the rights for the Socceroos friendlies and the rights to the Matildas. These rights are said to be worth $7m but that hasn't been confirmed. The $37m left for the A-League includes contra of around $4m-$5m leaving cash of around $32m-$35m which only covers the existing distribution to the clubs..
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+xBand aid solution to a gaping hole in the femoral artery. For which p/r is not the solution.
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+xAm I alone in wanting their name to stay as "Team 11" if they join the comp? yes
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+x+xBand aid solution to a gaping hole in the femoral artery. For which p/r is not the solution. Maybe, maybe not. But what about we start with a 2nd division and a promotion only system for the first X amount of years (promotion dependent on ducks in a row) and go from there?
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