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Interestingly I have a Czech mate who doesn't really follow the Czech anymore because it is "rubbish", but he can tell you everything going on at Arsenal.
Going off the attendance numbers for a lot of European clubs outside the Big 5 leagues I would suggest there are plenty of people with a similar mentality in Europe.
Personally I think it comes down to "marketing". You know you have an inferior product (skill wise), so you have to sell it on another level (club culture, entertainment, youth development, engagement, community partnerships etc etc...) You have to convince people to make an investment in your club.
I think on this forum in general FFA gets alot of the blame, when looking at the A League I would say the clubs should burden just as much "blame" if not more.
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+xInterestingly I have a Czech mate who doesn't really follow the Czech anymore because it is "rubbish", but he can tell you everything going on at Arsenal.
Czech league I meant
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+xInterestingly I have a Czech mate who doesn't really follow the Czech anymore because it is "rubbish", but he can tell you everything going on at Arsenal. Going off the attendance numbers for a lot of European clubs outside the Big 5 leagues I would suggest there are plenty of people with a similar mentality in Europe. Personally I think it comes down to "marketing". You know you have an inferior product (skill wise), so you have to sell it on another level (club culture, entertainment, youth development, engagement, community partnerships etc etc...) You have to convince people to make an investment in your club. I think on this forum in general FFA gets alot of the blame, when looking at the A League I would say the clubs should burden just as much "blame" if not more. Everyone in the Czech will know when and where who is and isn't playing, no need for wasted money on marketing.
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+x+xInterestingly I have a Czech mate who doesn't really follow the Czech anymore because it is "rubbish", but he can tell you everything going on at Arsenal. Going off the attendance numbers for a lot of European clubs outside the Big 5 leagues I would suggest there are plenty of people with a similar mentality in Europe. Personally I think it comes down to "marketing". You know you have an inferior product (skill wise), so you have to sell it on another level (club culture, entertainment, youth development, engagement, community partnerships etc etc...) You have to convince people to make an investment in your club. I think on this forum in general FFA gets alot of the blame, when looking at the A League I would say the clubs should burden just as much "blame" if not more. Everyone in the Czech will know when and where who is and isn't playing, no need for wasted money on marketing. With an average crowd of just over 5,000 maybe they need some marketing?
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+x+x+xA few people got very personal with me because I said they are plastic for supporting a overseas team coming here for a friendly instead of supporting an a league team. Strange world we live in Supporting a franchise is as plastic as they come. Nearly as plastic as supporting a mono ethnic social club who just happens to field a semi pro football team on the side. Well you've just won dope of the week with that comment.
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+x+x+x+xA few people got very personal with me because I said they are plastic for supporting a overseas team coming here for a friendly instead of supporting an a league team. Strange world we live in Supporting a franchise is as plastic as they come. Nearly as plastic as supporting a mono ethnic social club who just happens to field a semi pro football team on the side. Well you've just won dope of the week with that comment. He has won quite of few of those.
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+x+x+x+x+xA few people got very personal with me because I said they are plastic for supporting a overseas team coming here for a friendly instead of supporting an a league team. Strange world we live in Supporting a franchise is as plastic as they come. Nearly as plastic as supporting a mono ethnic social club who just happens to field a semi pro football team on the side. Well you've just won dope of the week with that comment. He has won quite of few of those. Meanwhile, here in reality, things continue as per normal.
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+xRyan, Langerak, Mooy, Rogic, Arzani, Sainsbury, Kruse, Behich, Leckie, Mabil etc etc Thanks A League. Half those guys originally came from the the evil mono efnik clubs as well.
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+xanyone have any stories on dealing with eurosnobs, arguments, debates or even converting one?? 60% of this forum
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+x+xRyan, Langerak, Mooy, Rogic, Arzani, Sainsbury, Kruse, Behich, Leckie, Mabil etc etc Thanks A League. Half those guys originally came from the the evil mono efnik clubs as well. Don't tell dopey. His brain might explode.
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+x+x+xRyan, Langerak, Mooy, Rogic, Arzani, Sainsbury, Kruse, Behich, Leckie, Mabil etc etc Thanks A League. Half those guys originally came from the the evil mono efnik clubs as well. Don't tell dopey. His brain might explode. err, not sure what weird tangent this threads attempting to take but eurosnobbery has as much contempt for mono-ethnic clubs as it does the A-League lol.
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There is an analogy with the adulation of AFL in my home state. There is no AFL team here, and local AFL fans seem to adulate something that isn't played on their home soil.
With football because European football isn't played here, an inherent inferiority complex of some supposed football fans in Aus inexplicably manifests.
If two teams of English League One footballers were to wear Celtic and Barcelona strips, played each other, and Aussie Eurosnobs were told they were the genuine Celtic and Barca line ups, I maintain many Eurosnobs in Australia wouldn't be able to discern the difference using football performance criteria.
I just can't believe the amount of energy supposed football fans put into this forum to denigrate the game on Australian shores. I surmise most of them have never played or coached football beyond park level, or junior level.
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Now we wait for the multis to show up.
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+xNow we wait for the multis to show up. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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+xIf two teams of English League One footballers were to wear Celtic and Barcelona strips, played each other, and Aussie Eurosnobs were told they were the genuine Celtic and Barca line ups, I maintain many Eurosnobs in Australia wouldn't be able to discern the difference using football performance criteria.
Woohoo!!! This means I'm not a "Eurosnob", as I could tell the difference - Oh wait, I never was. In all seriousness, if a 'League One' side was to represent Barca, then you will need a 'Conference', or 'Conference League North' team to represent Celtic. Otherwise there will be those who question the teams in question.
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Decentric has a very low opinion of the intelligence of some Eurosnobs....!
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+xDecentric has a very low opinion of the intelligence of some Eurosnobs...! The feeling is mutual.
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Geez I'm wondering how long it will be before you have to show your coach +x+xDecentric has a very low opinion of the intelligence of his fellow Australians...! The feeling is mutual. It's incredible isn't it? Hasn't played football since 1974 and yet feels free to pontificate and be condescending to Eurosnobs. Heaven forbid you could watch and enjoy a match without having a masters in triangling.
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+x+x+x+xRyan, Langerak, Mooy, Rogic, Arzani, Sainsbury, Kruse, Behich, Leckie, Mabil etc etc Thanks A League. Half those guys originally came from the the evil mono efnik clubs as well. Don't tell dopey. His brain might explode. err, not sure what weird tangent this threads attempting to take but eurosnobbery has as much contempt for mono-ethnic clubs as it does the A-League lol. Exactly
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+xInterestingly I have a Czech mate who doesn't really follow the Czech anymore because it is "rubbish", but he can tell you everything going on at Arsenal. Going off the attendance numbers for a lot of European clubs outside the Big 5 leagues I would suggest there are plenty of people with a similar mentality in Europe. Personally I think it comes down to "marketing". You know you have an inferior product (skill wise), so you have to sell it on another level (club culture, entertainment, youth development, engagement, community partnerships etc etc...) You have to convince people to make an investment in your club. I think on this forum in general FFA gets alot of the blame, when looking at the A League I would say the clubs should burden just as much "blame" if not more. Dont blame him the Czech league is pretty shit
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+x+xI used to hate eurosnobs now im turning into one cause our game is run by donkeys I used to watch heaps of HAL, now I am also turning into a "eurosnob" because HAL is difficult to watch because - it is so slow and the constant back passing is boring - its hard to sustain a relationship with a club when every season there is massive player recycling, - it is hard to take seriously when it is the only league in the world that thinks giving Bolt a professional contract is a good idea - there are no incentives to improve or consequences for poor performance (ie CCM's record) - if I wanted to watch pensioners, I'd go down the local park and watch the over 35's - the development pathway is broken Yep.
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+x+xIf two teams of English League One footballers were to wear Celtic and Barcelona strips, played each other, and Aussie Eurosnobs were told they were the genuine Celtic and Barca line ups, I maintain many Eurosnobs in Australia wouldn't be able to discern the difference using football performance criteria.
Woohoo!!! This means I'm not a "Eurosnob", as I could tell the difference - Oh wait, I never was. In all seriousness, if a 'League One' side was to represent Barca, then you will need a 'Conference', or 'Conference League North' team to represent Celtic. Otherwise there will be those who question the teams in question. I put Eurosnobs into two categories, BB. 1. Benign ones, like many I know involved in the NPL football milieu, and those like yourself, who have involvement and interest in the local game, but don't rubbish football in Australia. Eurosnob is probably a misnomer. Eurofan is probably a more apt term. I have a number of friends off forum who fit into this category. On this forum, I usually find your posts and their posts interesting as they have genuine football perspectives. 2. Eurosnob Bitters - These were virtually unknown on this forum in the inaugural years and even 6 years ago. Since the FFA/ HAL club dichotomy, these bitter cynics appear to have contributed to driving FTBL forum into a downward spiral. They seem to put a tremendous amount of time and energy denigrating and mocking football in Australia. I have no time whatsoever for Bitter Eurosnobs. I've never met any off forum in the local football milieu. What these Eurosnob Bitters post on here is often unadulterated, infantile crap.
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+xGeez I'm wondering how long it will be before you have to show your coach +x+xDecentric has a very low opinion of the intelligence of his fellow Australians...! The feeling is mutual. It's incredible isn't it? Hasn't played football since 1974 and yet feels free to pontificate and be condescending to Eurosnobs. Heaven forbid you could watch and enjoy a match without having a masters in triangling. I'm going to go easy on you since the mental health issue has become more prevalent in the media, champ. In a plethora of coaching courses I've played a lot of football with and against former NSL, under 23 Socceroos, former English pro youth players, current and former NPL and state players as recently as 5 years ago. I didn't stop playing in 1974 either.
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+xInterestingly I have a Czech mate who doesn't really follow the Czech anymore because it is "rubbish", but he can tell you everything going on at Arsenal. Going off the attendance numbers for a lot of European clubs outside the Big 5 leagues I would suggest there are plenty of people with a similar mentality in Europe. Personally I think it comes down to "marketing". You know you have an inferior product (skill wise), so you have to sell it on another level (club culture, entertainment, youth development, engagement, community partnerships etc etc...) You have to convince people to make an investment in your club. I think on this forum in general FFA gets alot of the blame, when looking at the A League I would say the clubs should burden just as much "blame" if not more. There are a lot of Eurosnobs/Eurofans in Singapore too.
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+x+x+x+xA few people made fun of me for making this discussion but three pages and a lot of good points made on both sides Sadly, as time has progressed this forum has become a lot more cynical and negative. The culprits probably aren't very happy in their lives off forum. A plethora of positive posters have left 442 in the last five years - and - their loss has detracted from the quality of the forum. Good on you for starting threads, Melb City Guy. Some who incessantly criticise others, never start any threads, never have constructive ideas or see anything positive in what others post. To digress, what some local female politicians have incurred from male online trolls has been made public. One can only deduce they are sadists - but also cowards. some good posting Decentric and and agree you thoughts re Melb City Guy. there are way too many half glass empty negative flogs doing the rounds. By the way Melb City Guy, keep it going mate. Melb City Guy deserves a lot more credit for proactively starting discussion about football. Many of the bitter cynics who criticise the topics of threads he starts should start bona fide threads themselves and get themselves a life off forum .
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+x+xGeez I'm wondering how long it will be before you have to show your coach +x+xDecentric has a very low opinion of the intelligence of his fellow Australians...! The feeling is mutual. It's incredible isn't it? Hasn't played football since 1974 and yet feels free to pontificate and be condescending to Eurosnobs. Heaven forbid you could watch and enjoy a match without having a masters in triangling. I'm going to go easy on you since the mental health issue has become more prevalent in the media, champ. In a plethora of coaching courses I've played a lot of football with and against former NSL, under 23 Socceroos, former English pro youth players, current and former NPL and state players as recently as 5 years ago. I didn't stop playing in 1974 either. Are you guys going to compare dicks next or what?
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+x+xHow easy it is to think a player in the NSL - which was played in slow motion, would be able to repeat his form in the HAL. Unfortunately, we're talking about players developed in the NSL who's form was then displayed in European leagues and at international level... Presumably neither being played in slow motion. Moving on from 7 months ago, the national team, the Socceroos, has more depth in a few positions which were previously light on. Most of those players have graduated through our ostensibly termed inadequate system. There is no doubt almost any national football system can improve, and ours is less than perfect, but the Socceroo WCQ campaign has been our best start for some time, maybe ever. I qualify this by proffering our Asian Cup performance was close to a debacle compared to the criterion of our own previous standards only 9 months ago.
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+x+x+xIf two teams of English League One footballers were to wear Celtic and Barcelona strips, played each other, and Aussie Eurosnobs were told they were the genuine Celtic and Barca line ups, I maintain many Eurosnobs in Australia wouldn't be able to discern the difference using football performance criteria.
Woohoo!!! This means I'm not a "Eurosnob", as I could tell the difference - Oh wait, I never was. In all seriousness, if a 'League One' side was to represent Barca, then you will need a 'Conference', or 'Conference League North' team to represent Celtic. Otherwise there will be those who question the teams in question. I put Eurosnobs into two categories, BB. 1. Benign ones, like many I know involved in the NPL football milieu, and those like yourself, who have involvement and interest in the local game, but don't rubbish football in Australia. Eurosnob is probably a misnomer. Eurofan is probably a more apt term. I have a number of friends off forum who fit into this category. On this forum, I usually find your posts and their posts interesting as they have genuine football perspectives. 2. Eurosnob Bitters - These were virtually unknown on this forum in the inaugural years and even 6 years ago. Since the FFA/ HAL club dichotomy, these bitter cynics appear to have contributed to driving FTBL forum into a downward spiral. They seem to put a tremendous amount of time and energy denigrating and mocking football in Australia. I have no time whatsoever for Bitter Eurosnobs. I've never met any off forum in the local football milieu. What these Eurosnob Bitters post on here is often unadulterated, infantile crap. While your last point is true that lots post crap is on here, i wouldn't call anyone a euro snob. Because believe me they wouldn't give a shit to go on this forum. Most just have apathy for the local game, they don't care one way or another.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x“NSL toe to toe with Argentina and Germany”?Just goes to show how massively delusional some are on here. Mind boggling really. His comment was that an NSL based side - ie/ golden generation - could go toe-to-toe with the big nations... Whereas the current squads, HAL developed, struggle... He is correct. They couldn't. They didn't qualify for a WC in 32 years of NSL. Where was the 2006 squad developed? Did it all happen in the first year of the HAL? Selective information, Benjamin. It took outside coaching expertise to galvanise that unit into a WC qualifying cohesive force for 2006. What occurred in 1978, 1982, 1986, 1990, 1994, 1998, 2002, was a collective failure. I passionately supported the Socceroos through all those failures - and - the only previous successful WC qualification in 1974. Losing to Iran ( twice), Israel and NZ meant something was malfunctioning. A lot more HAL players have played WC football, and Asian Cup football, than NSL players. Nothing wrong with the NSL either. It was our top league for a few decades. The squad developed in the NSL era is considered to be our Golden Generation - that's not selective information. As the Golden Generation players have dropped away, so to has the quality of the national team. You and I both know that given an Asian qualification pathway, with the back up of a play-off for being the 5th best team in the federation, the 1998, 2002 and 2006 squads would have breezed into the world cup finals. and the guy who scored both our goals at the 2018 World Cup was developed in the NSL too haha. Fun fact, the Socceroos have scored 13 goals in the last 4 World Cup tournaments. 0 of the Goal Scorers started out in the A League. (Cahill, Jedinak, Holman, Kewell, Moore, Aloisi) So are you saying the A League is nearly as bad as the NSL at producing players? In my opinion, the A League is much better at producing players. I don't think the A League has produced any players, though it has allowed a few players to move onto clubs that have developed them. Risdon and Grant have both doing a reasonable job at RB. They are products of the HAL exclusively.
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+x+xRyan, Langerak, Mooy, Rogic, Arzani, Sainsbury, Kruse, Behich, Leckie, Mabil etc etc Thanks A League. It's good that you're happy with that group as representatives of how good the A-League has been in the last 15 years... Hard to argue with Ryan, Mooy and Leckie... Hopefully Arzani fulfils his potential and doesn't crash like Oar did... Rogic is pretty good so long as you don't expect him to play 90 minutes - and Sainsbury and Behich are showing signs of being top quality bench warmers in Holland... That said, if we look at the last 15 years of the NSL we get Schwarzer, Bosnich, Bresciano, Grella, Culina, Popovic, Muscat, Vidmar, Holman, Emerton, Chipperfield, Sterjovski, Cahill, Viduka, Aloisi - all of whom played at a high level in Europe for a number of seasons... . Bosnich and both Vidmars never played WC football. As European players many of them were not regulars at their clubs, but battled week in and week out for a starting place. Popovic had one season in the EPL, I think, but was not a starter. Muscat only played Championship and SPL.
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