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+x+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. Lol there is nowhere near the same amount of hype around the league when dinky clubs like Adelaide or Perth are out performing the big clubs. A Cornthwaite puff piece on 7 News and a token article in the Advertiser when Adelaide United win hardly makes up for the fact that most of the national football media are based in Sydney and Melbourne and are naturally more interested in how those teams are doing. Well that’s goes to show how biased the media is towards some clubs then. i highly doubt many fans of CCM, Jets, Nix, etc could care less about how the Sydney and Melbourne clubs are doing which is the points I was making.
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+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. You can dislike it all you want, but you're in good company right now in denying inconvenient realities. BTW I never suggested anything like your second sentence. It is highly misleading as a response, especially the use of quotation marks.
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+x+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. You can dislike it all you want, but you're in good company right now in denying inconvenient realities. BTW I never suggested anything like your second sentence. It is highly misleading as a response, especially the use of quotation marks. That’s how I interpreted the point you made. I’m sorry if I misinterpreted it.
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+x+x2020-21 Membership prices announced with a base membership fee plus a "pay as you go" model for member priced matchday tickets. Probably sensible seeing as we don't know where we'll stand with covid next season, and we always needed a solution to so many seats in the reserved sections at AAMI Park being taken up by no-shows. https://gomvfc.com.au/member-benefits/ I believe its a UK-type membership strategy. I like it for 4 reasons: 1. Its a short-term solution during COVID if crowd numbers are capped (or banned). Fans won't lose as much money, but the club still gets a financial return. 2. If fans can't attend home games in some weeks, they won't lose as much money, but the club still gets a financial return. 3. It will eliminate the "23,000 sellouts" at AAMI Park when the glory days return. A sellout will actually mean 30,000 (or close to it).4. This is hopefully the first step towards us leaving Marvel. Obviously covid has forced their hands, but point 3 is why I've always felt that they should have gone down this route. I sit up on Premium B in AAMI Park and so much of it is taken up by members who have their seats locked in but only come half the time at most, and we'd end up with the 23k sellouts you mention. Probably some of the oldies will complain as they have to adapt, but the club really needed to do something to avoid so much inefficiency.
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+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. Ever heard of the Pareto Principle, aka the 80/20 rule? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle"The Pareto principle states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.... It is an axiom of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients". I don't think it's hard to argue that roughly the biggest 20% of the A-League clubs contribute to 80% of the interest in the league, as is the case in just about any league you can name.
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+x+x+x2020-21 Membership prices announced with a base membership fee plus a "pay as you go" model for member priced matchday tickets. Probably sensible seeing as we don't know where we'll stand with covid next season, and we always needed a solution to so many seats in the reserved sections at AAMI Park being taken up by no-shows. https://gomvfc.com.au/member-benefits/ I believe its a UK-type membership strategy. I like it for 4 reasons: 1. Its a short-term solution during COVID if crowd numbers are capped (or banned). Fans won't lose as much money, but the club still gets a financial return. 2. If fans can't attend home games in some weeks, they won't lose as much money, but the club still gets a financial return. 3. It will eliminate the "23,000 sellouts" at AAMI Park when the glory days return. A sellout will actually mean 30,000 (or close to it).4. This is hopefully the first step towards us leaving Marvel. Obviously covid has forced their hands, but point 3 is why I've always felt that they should have gone down this route. I sit up on Premium B in AAMI Park and so much of it is taken up by members who have their seats locked in but only come half the time at most, and we'd end up with the 23k sellouts you mention. Probably some of the oldies will complain as they have to adapt, but the club really needed to do something to avoid so much inefficiency. Well you're assuming that those seats would sell if they were available. I don't see the club changing from the norm once things return to normal - banking in a guaranteed seat sale at the beginning of the season, even if that member only attends half the games, is much more preferable than hoping someone buys the seat in a ballot style system. Sure, there'd probably be interest for the big games, but I doubt we'll get many sales for the lesser teams - at least in the current model they've already received money for that match, even if the seat is unoccupied. Now I am biased about this, because I have a lovely Premium A seat at AAMI Park that I will fight anyone over - so the prospect of paying a Premium A membership and not being guaranteed that particular seat is, in at least my opinion, not that appealing. Then again, I'm someone who attends 95%+ of my ticketed matches anyway. What needs to happen, is a better way for members to pass tickets back into the general pool for re-sale. Lots of overseas leagues do a far better job of it than we do here, so if we can encourage a simple system that people can access to either forward a digital version of your match ticket to a friend/relative (this is the problem I tend to have - I have a ticket to give, but I can't physically see the person to give them my membership card to use, so the seat goes unfilled) or to sell back into the general pool.
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+x+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. Ever heard of the Pareto Principle, aka the 80/20 rule? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle"The Pareto principle states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.... It is an axiom of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients". I don't think it's hard to argue that roughly the biggest 20% of the A-League clubs contribute to 80% of the interest in the league, as is the case in just about any league you can name. It's a symptom of applying the 'metrics' model to the A-League. It's actually a bit worse than 20% in the A-League. If we look at the attendance in the 18/19 season (ignoring current season for obvious reasons). During that season, MV, SFC and PG accounted for 45% of total attendances. MV alone accounted for 20% of total attendances. Although I hate comparing codes, if we look at the AFL, they also operate on a metrics model. The difference is that their clubs have long histories and large fanbases. That means when one of the big clubs drops off in results, there is always another club to take up the metrics slack. In the 90s/00s, Richmond were a middle to low metrics club. As soon as they started getting results they became a top metrics club again. The A-League doesn't work that way yet (and may never). When you have clubs like MV and WSW getting poor results, the metrics obviously drop. However, the increases seen at the other clubs that are performing well don't increase enough to cover the slack. This is a big reason why a shift away from the dependence on metrics in the A-League is becoming so important. When you rely on metrics so heavily, the league gets backed into a corner as the high numbers are only sustainable when the big clubs are doing well. Hypothetically if we had a season in which MV, WSW and SFC finished the season bottom 3, and CCM, Nix and WU finished top 3, the metrics would take a nose dive. On paper, the league then looks like interest is dropping, which is not entirely accurate, but unfortunately effects the other clubs, as things like sponsorship and broadcast deals are heavily dependant on metrics. This is the corner we have been backed into unfortunately.
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+x+x+x+x2020-21 Membership prices announced with a base membership fee plus a "pay as you go" model for member priced matchday tickets. Probably sensible seeing as we don't know where we'll stand with covid next season, and we always needed a solution to so many seats in the reserved sections at AAMI Park being taken up by no-shows. https://gomvfc.com.au/member-benefits/ I believe its a UK-type membership strategy. I like it for 4 reasons: 1. Its a short-term solution during COVID if crowd numbers are capped (or banned). Fans won't lose as much money, but the club still gets a financial return. 2. If fans can't attend home games in some weeks, they won't lose as much money, but the club still gets a financial return. 3. It will eliminate the "23,000 sellouts" at AAMI Park when the glory days return. A sellout will actually mean 30,000 (or close to it).4. This is hopefully the first step towards us leaving Marvel. Obviously covid has forced their hands, but point 3 is why I've always felt that they should have gone down this route. I sit up on Premium B in AAMI Park and so much of it is taken up by members who have their seats locked in but only come half the time at most, and we'd end up with the 23k sellouts you mention. Probably some of the oldies will complain as they have to adapt, but the club really needed to do something to avoid so much inefficiency. Well you're assuming that those seats would sell if they were available. I don't see the club changing from the norm once things return to normal - banking in a guaranteed seat sale at the beginning of the season, even if that member only attends half the games, is much more preferable than hoping someone buys the seat in a ballot style system. Sure, there'd probably be interest for the big games, but I doubt we'll get many sales for the lesser teams - at least in the current model they've already received money for that match, even if the seat is unoccupied. Now I am biased about this, because I have a lovely Premium A seat at AAMI Park that I will fight anyone over - so the prospect of paying a Premium A membership and not being guaranteed that particular seat is, in at least my opinion, not that appealing. Then again, I'm someone who attends 95%+ of my ticketed matches anyway. What needs to happen, is a better way for members to pass tickets back into the general pool for re-sale. Lots of overseas leagues do a far better job of it than we do here, so if we can encourage a simple system that people can access to either forward a digital version of your match ticket to a friend/relative (this is the problem I tend to have - I have a ticket to give, but I can't physically see the person to give them my membership card to use, so the seat goes unfilled) or to sell back into the general pool. We did use to have a system to hand in your matchday access and it was credited towards your next year's membership if they sold the seat. I don't think a lot of people took it up. I think an opt-in rather than opt-out system would be more efficient.
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One other thing in theory with this new system is that it might be a whole lot easier for members in reserved areas to have their non-member mates sit next to them if they buy a ticket.
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+x+x+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. Ever heard of the Pareto Principle, aka the 80/20 rule? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle"The Pareto principle states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.... It is an axiom of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients". I don't think it's hard to argue that roughly the biggest 20% of the A-League clubs contribute to 80% of the interest in the league, as is the case in just about any league you can name. MV alone accounted for 20% of total attendances. But if there were 10 teams, MV accounted for 10% of all teams. So the biggest 10% of teams contributed 20% of all attendances?
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+x+x+x+xAll good as long as your board doesn't appoint JA coach. Why am I concerned, as a Brisbane supporter? Because I've gone through the pain of seeing Aloisi(s) in action, and a competitive Victory side are a keystone species, so to speak, of the A League. We need MV to come back firing next season. We can all forget that if Aloisi is appointed.
Yes, this is a public forum and it gives me no pleasure to post against the appointment of someone who is obviously a very likeable person. But this is a public position and as such we are all entitled to comment. John Aloisi has other options outside coaching. He's a talented media pundit - telegenic, lucid, intelligent and articulate. That's where he should be directing his energy.
He's had two good shots at the coaching game now, and it hasn't worked. Time to look in the mirror and be realistic. No we don’t. I really dislike the argument of “when Sydney, Victory and WSW struggle, it’s bad for the league and everyone loses interest”. It’s simply not true. Sure fans of those clubs might jump off the bandwagon, but it’s not gonna effect other clubs. Ever heard of the Pareto Principle, aka the 80/20 rule? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle"The Pareto principle states that, for many events, roughly 80% of the effects come from 20% of the causes.... It is an axiom of business management that "80% of sales come from 20% of clients". I don't think it's hard to argue that roughly the biggest 20% of the A-League clubs contribute to 80% of the interest in the league, as is the case in just about any league you can name. It's a symptom of applying the 'metrics' model to the A-League. It's actually a bit worse than 20% in the A-League. If we look at the attendance in the 18/19 season (ignoring current season for obvious reasons). During that season, MV, SFC and PG accounted for 45% of total attendances. MV alone accounted for 20% of total attendances. Although I hate comparing codes, if we look at the AFL, they also operate on a metrics model. The difference is that their clubs have long histories and large fanbases. That means when one of the big clubs drops off in results, there is always another club to take up the metrics slack. In the 90s/00s, Richmond were a middle to low metrics club. As soon as they started getting results they became a top metrics club again. The A-League doesn't work that way yet (and may never). When you have clubs like MV and WSW getting poor results, the metrics obviously drop. However, the increases seen at the other clubs that are performing well don't increase enough to cover the slack. This is a big reason why a shift away from the dependence on metrics in the A-League is becoming so important. When you rely on metrics so heavily, the league gets backed into a corner as the high numbers are only sustainable when the big clubs are doing well. Hypothetically if we had a season in which MV, WSW and SFC finished the season bottom 3, and CCM, Nix and WU finished top 3, the metrics would take a nose dive. On paper, the league then looks like interest is dropping, which is not entirely accurate, but unfortunately effects the other clubs, as things like sponsorship and broadcast deals are heavily dependant on metrics. This is the corner we have been backed into unfortunately. roughly by percentage each club is: CCM 5.1% City 7.5% Jets 8.4% Nix 8.5% ** Roar 8.9% Reds 9% ** WSW 9.3% ** Glory 10.3%** SFC 12.5% Vuck 20.5% **
** These clubs had one extra game but not normalised here.
So 7 of the clubs (70%) produce 80% of the attendance.
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What is needed in the next campaign to complement the younger and existing players are a couple of strikers, another AM, a CM and a CB.
Who should Aloisi, along with Brebner sign then?
Any striker perhaps in Europe (to spar with Ross) for next season? Perhaps more locally, strikers Jeremy Brockie and/or Thomas James..
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I have no idea about their contract status, so my point could be redundant
But surely they would be targeting Piscopo and Brimmer, both melbourne boys
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Surely the Aloisi rumours are just that? -PB
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Would do a lot worse than to target Dylan Ryan on a transfer fee as a talented CB and cash cow for the club.
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+xI have no idea about their contract status, so my point could be redundant But surely they would be targeting Piscopo and Brimmer, both melbourne boys Piscopo signed a 3-year contract with Wellington at the start of this season, so sill has 2 years left. Not sure on Brimmer but I do rate him highly. Would be a great signing.
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+x+xI have no idea about their contract status, so my point could be redundant But surely they would be targeting Piscopo and Brimmer, both melbourne boys Piscopo signed a 3-year contract with Wellington at the start of this season, so sill has 2 years left. Not sure on Brimmer but I do rate him highly. Would be a great signing. Nix paid a transfer fee for him too.
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+xWould do a lot worse than to target Dylan Ryan on a transfer fee as a talented CB and cash cow for the club. Good shout.
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+xWould do a lot worse than to target Dylan Ryan on a transfer fee as a talented CB and cash cow for the club. In an interview with TWG earlier this year he said he was told he was going to be part of Willem II’s first team for this upcoming Eredivisie season so probably unlikely to come back now.
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+x+xWould do a lot worse than to target Dylan Ryan on a transfer fee as a talented CB and cash cow for the club. In an interview with TWG earlier this year he said he was told he was going to be part of Willem II’s first team for this upcoming Eredivisie season so probably unlikely to come back now. He hasn’t even been in the squad for their two friendlies so far, even with an 11 man bench and a completely new team for the second half. If he’s out of favour an A-League team should have a look.
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+x+x+xWould do a lot worse than to target Dylan Ryan on a transfer fee as a talented CB and cash cow for the club. In an interview with TWG earlier this year he said he was told he was going to be part of Willem II’s first team for this upcoming Eredivisie season so probably unlikely to come back now. He hasn’t even been in the squad for their two friendlies so far, even with an 11 man bench and a completely new team for the second half. If he’s out of favour an A-League team should have a look. x2
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Liked to of seen Anastasiadis come over and to of brought afew with him from WU that would fit the bill. Say, CB's like Dillon, Hamill and/or Aspro;
CM or Winger like Cavallo and a striker on the books like Yuel or Stamatelopoulos.
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+x+x+xWould do a lot worse than to target Dylan Ryan on a transfer fee as a talented CB and cash cow for the club. In an interview with TWG earlier this year he said he was told he was going to be part of Willem II’s first team for this upcoming Eredivisie season so probably unlikely to come back now. He hasn’t even been in the squad for their two friendlies so far, even with an 11 man bench and a completely new team for the second half. If he’s out of favour an A-League team should have a look. Damn, didn’t realise that. In that case, coming home would be a good option. He was outstanding for the Olyroos recently - no doubt he’s up to A-League level imo.
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Victory had a Facebook event for a press conference at 1pm tomorrow, but have since deleted it.
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Live stream for said press conference already in standby mode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS_fO6Ws_0k
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Better not be to announce he-who-shall-not-be-named.... Or one of those wanky 'corporate alliances'. Actually I'd rather the latter than the former tbh. Hopefully it is to announce Tommy Deng as our new marquee striker
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aaaand it's gone. Doesn't mean that there won't be a new link up if the presser is still going ahead of course.
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+xaaaand it's gone. Doesn't mean that there won't be a new link up if the presser is still going ahead of course. Back on at 13:00. per MV FB
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Garby claiming it’s Brebner.
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