That proposed Westfield's is not in tarneit . Its in Mount coterall which is not even in the city of wyndham 

Yeah most of the time, dont you? 

I miss-spoke, it may not be a Westfield. I dont think they where involved in the sign off on this farce.  

Yes and it always was, there evidence of them processing on council and government sites with building and planning approvals.

I think the issue and doubt everyone has had was simple due to delays and misleading information on the start of building time. 'Shovel ready in January 2020', almost 12 months on and not a single shovel has been used. 

The money spent, as well as the main goal of the stadium means that they will guaranteed build it. As they are using the stadium to boost land values to sell to developers, the stadium will 'fund itself' and theyve said this since day 1.

Only final question is, when will they start and when will it be completed. 2022 still seems a generous estimate.

Not to be negative but if they get the stadium built they still need to get fans and atm their support is very underwhelming 

Build it and they will come. Will be the only club to own their own stadium unlike city with all the oil money and victory with the biggest fan base and have been around since day one. Thats the only underwhelming thing here. 

There is NO EVIDENCE at all of any commencement of seeking planning approval either by way of application for a planning permit, lodgement of preliminary authorisation for a planning scheme amendment, or lodgement of an application for an amendment to the approved structure plan for the Riverside precinct.

Whilst the Council (acting as landowner not planning authority) is supportive of the IDEA, not one single official move has been made to START the planning process.

To put this in context, think of it like the FFA's support for the National Second Division and relegation. There have been a lot of words spoken and media releases, but how much actual official legally binding work has been done?  In fact, if you compare the two 'projects', the FFA has done more work and is further down the track with the NSD. 

I've logged in for the first time in about a year just to rebut what you've said. The stadium submission had already been submitted to the Victorian Govt. Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning, just awaiting approval, expected early 2021. This also includes the whole concept masterplan training facility too.

Western Melbourne Group’s commitment to the project is substantive.

“We have spent in excess of $10 million on the planning application process so far, in addition to the near $20 million invested to secure our professional A-League licence,” Sourasis said.

“Today we achieve another milestone in our precinct development and for the people of the west.”

To date, Western Melbourne Group has completed all of the site investigations (including but not limited to, geotechnical, economic benefit, traffic, cultural heritage, flora & fauna, site services, infrastructure, etc.) required to develop a concept masterplan for 1160 Sayers Road North.

The concept masterplan, developed in collaboration with Wyndham City Council, forms part of a planning submission that has been submitted to the Department of Environment, Land, Water and Planning (DELWP) for approval.

The application is currently being assessed with an outcome expected in the near future.

Construction on the new precinct will commence in early 2021, to be completed by early 2023.

This is from: WUFC Training Facility

Don't be surprised if the "training facility" ends up being THE stadium.

Good start with 5k capacity rather than 4k at Whitten.

Nah it most definitely will get built I believe, question is, as I stated earlier, when will it be done?

The whole purpose of the WMG having Western United was to create a new entity in a sporting league to increase the interest and value of the land. 


This is just false. Within this forum there're links which have been sent which show the planning and approvals which have been submitted and/or waiting for approval. It looks like (not guarantees unfortunately) that there might be some movement in the progress early next year as the Victorian government pushes ahead with encouraging construction to kickstart the economy again.

Also the council and club in partnership have continued to express the desire and goal to build the stadium, while also stating that an initial near $10m has already been spent in the process of designing, planning and developing the stadium in terms of paper work and early landsite tests. (Also within that 10m is the same process for the training hub) 

Even if it is the “end product” it’s way better than what they are doing now in no mans land.
At least with a dedicated facility they can solidify its identity in a ‘home’ and grow from there

NO EVIDENCE.
A media release from WUFC or Wyndham is not evidence.
Neither Wyndham nor DELWP have any record of any formal application being lodged.

Firstly - regarding Wyndham Council, I explicitly remember perhaps a year ago or so that the council voted unanimously in the stadium. I'll try to find the evidence.
Secondly, regarding the DELWP, does their website explicitly list formal applications? I am genuinely curious, I have had a brief look and found no link on their page for formal lodged applications. There is no reason to think that WUFC just made up the formal press release. Although I'm sure even if they don't someone else would be able to find evidence for the submission to them.

Like the baseball stadium in Altona? Yeah thats not a white elephant.....
Its shameful what these supposed "football people" are doing in the name of making a buck..... I dont begrudge the free enterprise or the creativity of using interesting privitization models of state asset and resource, I mean im against it in principle but good luck to the crooks that managed to pull it off, there not the first nor last to grease the wheels of local gov... But by doing it through a soccer club, not only are they f@cking over all the other 50 odd clubs in the area but also selling a bullshit promise to their own supporters. 

They approved it yes but they're waiting on wu .wyndham city council can't do much when nothing has been said from Wu's end. 

That baseball stadium wasn't even on the radar of the aces for the first 2 years. They didn't want a bar of it until they realised playing at the showgrounds was pointless and underwhelming.  

Yeah baseball in Australia is more schitzo than soccer thats for sure... They have a fairly cult like following though and in the 90s where really pushing to ride on the coat tails of basketballs ,mini boom back then. All the teams are owned by the league though yeah?
I really love that one of the teams in the league is called "Geelong Korea" and most of the players are actually Korean.... Maybe thats what is stopping 100s of thousands of fans pooring through the turnstiles they must be scared of the ethnic violence and foreign flags?

Geelong korea pulled out. They won't be playing in the new season.  The old baseball league was owned by the league correct.  These days the clubs are owned or partly owned by mlb teams iirc. Great thing is their membership prices shit all over the hals and their corporate boxes are shit cheap.  

I didnt know that... is it like a scouting thing for the mlb? I doubt if many outside the college system in Us and countries like Cuba, Haiti, South Korea, and Japan would get a call up? Or is it more their way of expanding their visibility like Man Utd, Real, Juve etc into Asia?
Sad to hear about Geelong Korea pulling out, maybe they lost too many fans over the summer to Tarneit Gypsies FC?

I don't disagree.
But...it ends being admission to the league on a false premise.

NO EVIDENCE. There simply is none. 
The Delwp page lists all scheme amendments, including proposed amendments that have not yet been authorised for consideration.
https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/schemes-and-amendments/browse-amendments?query=&sort=dmetaplanningSchemeName&search_mode=keywords&f.Scheme%7CplanningSchemeName=Wyndham&d3=29%2F12%2F2019&meta_d3=29Dec2019&d4=30%2F11%2F2020&meta_d4=30Nov2020&apply+all+filters=

Now when you see the media statements saying Western united or Wyndham have 'lodged' something, the only possible thing I could see it meaning is that they have given DELWP a copy of their preliminary documents to review before they actually START the process.

The formal process of seeking planning approval still has not yet STARTED.

Exactly....... But the premise is NOT false mate, their intention is very clear and always was. A bunch of ex soccer players working for a South African building company got together with the sleaziest little player agent, ex failed franchise holder, and decided that the best way they knew to scam some free land from a local council was to promise them another Carlton FC, but green and black this time and no affiliation to AFL..... They are putting out press releases talking up their theft of public land ffs, they are definately not hiding it. The serious elephant in the room is how/why did the national governing body of the sport in this country grant them a license to participate in the national competition despite the recommendations of the independant auditors they actually paid to oversea the process AND the broadcaster who is in effect footing the bill? The fact that there IS a bid process and not natural pro rel is f#cked in and of itself but thats another conversation. 
In their fan boy blindness how can people on here not at least question the motivation of the FFA board members to apporove this bid, especially a couple who have recently walked away and may or may not be associated financially with the group developing the site? Are people so keen to keep this charade going that they are willing to believe that once all the houses have been sold and the leisure centre being leased out that this "club" will still be a thing? Let alone a 15k stadium???? 
Ok , Im an NSL bitter, grumpy old bastard, and I hate them because my monoethnic club full of blood curdling, rioting Greeks didnt get chosen, fair enough thats all true but it has been 24 months now and not only has 1 spadeful of earth not been turned over on the "shovel ready" site, they havent even lodged an application. How many more years are you all willing to let pass before you admit it was a scam and demand answers? 2,5 or 10 maybe? 

Well said. 
The way this bid was approved needs to be investigated 
But by whom? 

If Western United was a car for sale my bet is its that the VIN number would be filed off 

The so called "Football media" in this country.... too busy thinking up hollow platitudes over the amazing creativity of renaming FFA to FA......

The clear trend from the last round of license bids is one of overseas property groups (often anonymous) looking for a way to get a toehold in the Australian property market.
I think it's fair to conclude that long term, it's unlikely this will benefit Australian football.

WU are 100% Australian owned. Am i missing something?

Lynch Junior claimed on TWG last week that WU expect permits to be approved by Xmas. Not sure where he gets his info from. 

Lets leave out Roar, the Vuk, City and Glory because no shovell has turned over any soil to build them a home stadium each.
They all have had many years to try to achieve ownig a homeground!
Vuk cannot get their own training facilities as well. Time to go.
I don't have a team although I'm keen to see how Bulls fc go, oh they don't own a stadium either.

If they actually build stadiums all around the country and pump money into the clubs they establish as a front as they promise when bidding then yes it CAN be beneficial but I sincerely don't see this ever happening. The Abu Dabi Do group clearly wont and I don't think the WMG have any intention of either. Time will tell I suppose and if I am proven wrong I will happily eat my words and apologise to everyone here... In the same breath though will everyone here agree that if they still haven't commenced building their stadium in say, 2 years ( a total of 4 since receiving their licence), then we agree to put pressure on the FA to dissolve the team???