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For some reason, they still haven't published the crowd number for Victory vs Wanderers from Friday night.
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"The basis of the PPP is that the City of Wyndham will gift the land on which the stadium structure is to be built (6.97ha) and lease the training area land (7.5 ha) to WMG. The residential and commercial precincts will be purchased by WMG at current market values and WMG will be responsible for developing the land to assist in the funding of the Stadium."In other words, we need to build a bunch of housing and commercial spaces first, then we build the stadium. For anyone wondering, WMG is not the football club, it's a separate entity. The club itself will not own the stadium.
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Buggalugs the Third
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+xIn other words, we need to build a bunch of housing and commercial spaces first, then we build the stadium. Not necessarily, they can borrow against projected future income. Not dissimilar to Man Utd borrowing using future Season Ticket Sales as collateral Just got to find a Bank prepared to take the risk and the interest rate they're happy with - simples
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Buggalugs the Third
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 17 x 15,000 Full houses every year................................... doddle
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I loved going go away games in Geelong even though the stadium was bad it was a great away trip experience. Them playing at Aami was the final straw for me I hope they don’t make finals and they get dumped out the a league
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990 last night was a shambles. I haven't been to a Western United game this year. A lot of it is to do with them clashing with other commitments but I would never go to a Mon-Thurs A-League match anyway. Western United does draw a low crowd as it is so maybe 990 isn't so bad when compared to their usual crowd average but it certainly isn't a good look for either Western United or the A-League as a whole.
I do believe the new stadium will draw more spectators. the rotation of grounds right now means you can't build the rusted on support all clubs need. At least having 9 games at one venue next year (that isn't Geelong) will allow some growth. I'm not sure if Knights Stadium is a good idea or not but I do like the idea of actually having a home. Geelong was always a gamble but AAMI was just a bad idea.
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+x990 last night was a shambles. I haven't been to a Western United game this year. A lot of it is to do with them clashing with other commitments but I would never go to a Mon-Thurs A-League match anyway. Western United does draw a low crowd as it is so maybe 990 isn't so bad when compared to their usual crowd average but it certainly isn't a good look for either Western United or the A-League as a whole. I do believe the new stadium will draw more spectators. the rotation of grounds right now means you can't build the rusted on support all clubs need. At least having 9 games at one venue next year (that isn't Geelong) will allow some growth. I'm not sure if Knights Stadium is a good idea or not but I do like the idea of actually having a home. Geelong was always a gamble but AAMI was just a bad idea. If they want to play matches in Melbourne, the issue is that it has to be Knights Stadium if it’s not AAMI Park. Can’t see MV and MC agreeing to them playing at AAMI Park again though anyway. The reality is that they have next to no viable options, as Whitten Oval is not a good experience either.
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+x+x990 last night was a shambles. I haven't been to a Western United game this year. A lot of it is to do with them clashing with other commitments but I would never go to a Mon-Thurs A-League match anyway. Western United does draw a low crowd as it is so maybe 990 isn't so bad when compared to their usual crowd average but it certainly isn't a good look for either Western United or the A-League as a whole. I do believe the new stadium will draw more spectators. the rotation of grounds right now means you can't build the rusted on support all clubs need. At least having 9 games at one venue next year (that isn't Geelong) will allow some growth. I'm not sure if Knights Stadium is a good idea or not but I do like the idea of actually having a home. Geelong was always a gamble but AAMI was just a bad idea. If they want to play matches in Melbourne, the issue is that it has to be Knights Stadium if it’s not AAMI Park. Can’t see MV and MC agreeing to them playing at AAMI Park again though anyway. The reality is that they have next to no viable options, as Whitten Oval is not a good experience either. What a shame Melbourne as well as Brisbane (in the S/E) do not have acceptable rectangular boutique sized stadiums. If government upgrades Perry Perk in order to have a stadium for the Hockey for the Summer Olympics in QLD, then and only then could the banana benders have that stadium as state of the art.
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nick1408
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+x+x990 last night was a shambles. I haven't been to a Western United game this year. A lot of it is to do with them clashing with other commitments but I would never go to a Mon-Thurs A-League match anyway. Western United does draw a low crowd as it is so maybe 990 isn't so bad when compared to their usual crowd average but it certainly isn't a good look for either Western United or the A-League as a whole. I do believe the new stadium will draw more spectators. the rotation of grounds right now means you can't build the rusted on support all clubs need. At least having 9 games at one venue next year (that isn't Geelong) will allow some growth. I'm not sure if Knights Stadium is a good idea or not but I do like the idea of actually having a home. Geelong was always a gamble but AAMI was just a bad idea. If they want to play matches in Melbourne, the issue is that it has to be Knights Stadium if it’s not AAMI Park. Can’t see MV and MC agreeing to them playing at AAMI Park again though anyway. The reality is that they have next to no viable options, as Whitten Oval is not a good experience either. Yeah, your spot on. Whitten Oval was shit (I did go there) plus it is heavily used by the dogs as well so likely not available for 9 matches. The options are thin. The board are going to have to sort something out and quick.
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nick1408
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+x+x+x990 last night was a shambles. I haven't been to a Western United game this year. A lot of it is to do with them clashing with other commitments but I would never go to a Mon-Thurs A-League match anyway. Western United does draw a low crowd as it is so maybe 990 isn't so bad when compared to their usual crowd average but it certainly isn't a good look for either Western United or the A-League as a whole. I do believe the new stadium will draw more spectators. the rotation of grounds right now means you can't build the rusted on support all clubs need. At least having 9 games at one venue next year (that isn't Geelong) will allow some growth. I'm not sure if Knights Stadium is a good idea or not but I do like the idea of actually having a home. Geelong was always a gamble but AAMI was just a bad idea. If they want to play matches in Melbourne, the issue is that it has to be Knights Stadium if it’s not AAMI Park. Can’t see MV and MC agreeing to them playing at AAMI Park again though anyway. The reality is that they have next to no viable options, as Whitten Oval is not a good experience either. What a shame Melbourne as well as Brisbane (in the S/E) do not have acceptable rectangular boutique sized stadiums. If government upgrades Perry Perk in order to have a stadium for the Hockey for the Summer Olympics in QLD, then and only then could the banana benders have that stadium as state of the art. Lack of rectangular-shaped field sports in Melbourne is the answer. The round ones are used all year around (Aussie Rules and cricket) so it does leave a distinct lack of suitable grounds. Not sure about Brisbane - I would have thought some QRL side or QRU side would have something suitable but I'm not there so can't really comment with confidence.
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+x 17 x 15,000 Full houses every year................................... doddle Or it could be 294 years of 1,000 fans per home match.....
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charlied
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I hope the backers run out of of cash an abandon this misformed atrocity to extinction.
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+xI hope the backers run out of of cash an abandon this misformed atrocity to extinction. The last thing we need is a club to fail. Honestly if they can get some stability in terms of their home ground, they have a chance to build a solid base, but until then the Western Nomads will struggle.
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It's funny that when the expansion sides were anounced that Gallop said Team 11 didn't have an appropriate stadium which was one of the key reasons why they didn't get in. Then you fast forward to now and look at the stadiums WU have played at and literally none of them have been appropriate for either it's fanbase or it's region that it represents.
-Kardinia Park was it's initial base but it appears they've now abondoned the region which isn't going to keep fans onside.
-they've gone to Ballarat and played at the AFL oval which isn't appropriate for viewing. I understand there is certain requirements for hosting matches but surely they could've persisted with Morshead Park and tried to pack the place out and generate some atmosphere and hype. Considering the venue has hosted A-League teams in the FFA Cup it can't be that far from meeting standards.
-Played at Whitten Oval which again is a completely inappropriate venue with both facilities and ground dimensions for fan experience. Considering the Western Bulldogs train there full time as well as host womens games in the summer it was never going to be an option to host multiple games per season let alone bring in temporary stands.
-Gone to AAMI Park to host 'derbies' to try and capatilise on away fans $$$ when your selling yourself out to the 'area' your supposed to represent. AAMI Park is more on the eastern side of the CBD and can be more difficult for western train lines to change over to get to Richmond station. The venues capacity is also well beyond the crowds they are expecting and will look dire for any game that doesn't involve City or Victory.
-Now headed to Tasmania to promote it's brand at the largest AFL ground there is. While it's hosted AL football before it's notoriously poor for the crowd to view the game and clearly the Tassie public know this isn't a medium term proposition with this side and won't be rushing to buy merchandise of become a 'Western Utd' fan anytime soon.
I know the Bulls have been coping some flak but at least they have an identity and will be playing in Campbelltown for the foreseeable future wheras I honestly don't know what WU represent and where they will be playing for the next 3 seasons.
Imo they should've played at Knights Stadium from the start, tried to generate an atmosphere and hype and build things from the ground up. Both MV & WSW started at boutique venues from it's inception and exploded with popularity and became the hotest tickets in town when they were selling out Olympic Park & Parramatta.
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+xI hope the backers run out of of cash an abandon this misformed atrocity to extinction. If they don't start selling house and land packages soon I'm afraid your right... And Australia just stopped all incoming travellers from India, the by far largest growth group in that area...... poor WU.
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There is one very simple reason why the Team 11 bid failed. Both the Victory and City didn't want them, it's that simple. Ever wondered why a club was approved to play out of a paddock in the middle of nowhere? Because the Victory and city were comfortable with that. Why were they comfortable with it? Well, they hardly represent a risk do they? They aren't really pinching supporters from these two clubs are they?
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Heart_fan
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+xIt's funny that when the expansion sides were anounced that Gallop said Team 11 didn't have an appropriate stadium which was one of the key reasons why they didn't get in. Then you fast forward to now and look at the stadiums WU have played at and literally none of them have been appropriate for either it's fanbase or it's region that it represents. -Kardinia Park was it's initial base but it appears they've now abondoned the region which isn't going to keep fans onside. -they've gone to Ballarat and played at the AFL oval which isn't appropriate for viewing. I understand there is certain requirements for hosting matches but surely they could've persisted with Morshead Park and tried to pack the place out and generate some atmosphere and hype. Considering the venue has hosted A-League teams in the FFA Cup it can't be that far from meeting standards. -Played at Whitten Oval which again is a completely inappropriate venue with both facilities and ground dimensions for fan experience. Considering the Western Bulldogs train there full time as well as host womens games in the summer it was never going to be an option to host multiple games per season let alone bring in temporary stands. -Gone to AAMI Park to host 'derbies' to try and capatilise on away fans $$$ when your selling yourself out to the 'area' your supposed to represent. AAMI Park is more on the eastern side of the CBD and can be more difficult for western train lines to change over to get to Richmond station. The venues capacity is also well beyond the crowds they are expecting and will look dire for any game that doesn't involve City or Victory. -Now headed to Tasmania to promote it's brand at the largest AFL ground there is. While it's hosted AL football before it's notoriously poor for the crowd to view the game and clearly the Tassie public know this isn't a medium term proposition with this side and won't be rushing to buy merchandise of become a 'Western Utd' fan anytime soon. I know the Bulls have been coping some flak but at least they have an identity and will be playing in Campbelltown for the foreseeable future wheras I honestly don't know what WU represent and where they will be playing for the next 3 seasons. Imo they should've played at Knights Stadium from the start, tried to generate an atmosphere and hype and build things from the ground up. Both MV & WSW started at boutique venues from it's inception and exploded with popularity and became the hotest tickets in town when they were selling out Olympic Park & Parramatta. Honestly I think the Bulls have done a worse job overall given that they are playing in a stadium in their target area and are doing just about everything to disengage with them with some of their decisions.
WU are stuck at this stage, desperately trying to find something that works for the next couple of years as Geelong just wasn’t the solution. Ballarat matches should be played at the football facility as you mention, and Tasmania is next level desperation to find a place to play with a deal from Tasmania to help boost the bottom line.
AAMI Park has to be a no no moving forward, which leaves Knights Stadium or a fast build of the 5k stadium at their planned training base to try and find some solution for the next season and a half at least.
At least the latter option is actually in the area they are primarily targeting. Knights Stadium will require investment in the facility it seems to make it compliant and that will be hard to justify spending on what is a likely a shorter term solution for them.
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+xThere is one very simple reason why the Team 11 bid failed. Both the Victory and City didn't want them, it's that simple. Ever wondered why a club was approved to play out of a paddock in the middle of nowhere? Because the Victory and city were comfortable with that. Why were they comfortable with it? Well, they hardly represent a risk do they? They aren't really pinching supporters from these two clubs are they? Team 11 was unlikely to lure people away from the established sides, CFG would have had an eye on the south east even from then so that would have been a factor. Team 11 would have been playing at AAMI park with perhaos a couple games at Morwell, that too would have struggled for traction. MV and MC openly didnt want South and that was that really, both would have lost supporters especially MV. WU were the free hit that werent going to make a dent on the football landscape so the feedback for them would have been positive.
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+xThere is one very simple reason why the Team 11 bid failed. Both the Victory and City didn't want them, it's that simple. Ever wondered why a club was approved to play out of a paddock in the middle of nowhere? Because the Victory and city were comfortable with that. Why were they comfortable with it? Well, they hardly represent a risk do they? They aren't really pinching supporters from these two clubs are they? Don’t try to get too in depth about the application process and approvals of the new clubs.
It’s quite simple. The WU guys stumped up the most cash. Macarthur were second. And showed they had enough cash to burn over a certain number of years.
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+x+xI hope the backers run out of of cash an abandon this misformed atrocity to extinction. The last thing we need is a club to fail. Honestly if they can get some stability in terms of their home ground, they have a chance to build a solid base, but until then the Western Nomads will struggle. I disagree. The League would be better off without WU.
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Not sure we would be open to having WU play at Somers St tbh, unless we were to get a great rental agreement from them. The reason they're in this mess is entirely their fault, but it's also the fault of the FFA for allowing it. There's no sympathy from me, and the only way forward for them atm is to [as someone mentioned above] fast-track a 5k stadium at their training base: which they still wouldn't be able to sell out.
They've done some good things on the pitch, but it seems that everything they've done off it has been a complete disaster.
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None of the selling features of WU’s bid were based in the present/existed - it was purely based on projections, estimations and dreams. Their ‘home’ region barely even exist ffs. The fact the FFA at the time even took it seriously is mind boggling. Surprise surprise they’re now stuck with yet another liability of a club. If the FFA weren’t so desperate for impulsive cash grabs, they would have granted them conditional approval to be one of the 13/14th expansion teams and told them to go away and build all these great plans and bring them in when it was ready. In doing so they would’ve had a clearly defined time frame for the next round of expansion.
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Haha just a rubbish note, i saw on diamanti's insta story his kid playing football in their loungeroom with the victory match on in the background and the kid wearing a victory shirt... haha
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Western have lost their last 5 games in a row and have conceded 14 goals while just scoring just 1 goal. Three of those matches were against teams outside the top 6 as well.
With the squad they have, that's an appalling return. Is it time for #RudanOut?
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charlied
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Whole club out
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+x+xThere is one very simple reason why the Team 11 bid failed. Both the Victory and City didn't want them, it's that simple. Ever wondered why a club was approved to play out of a paddock in the middle of nowhere? Because the Victory and city were comfortable with that. Why were they comfortable with it? Well, they hardly represent a risk do they? They aren't really pinching supporters from these two clubs are they? Don’t try to get too in depth about the application process and approvals of the new clubs.
It’s quite simple. The WU guys stumped up the most cash. Macarthur were second. And showed they had enough cash to burn over a certain number of years. The bid from Southern Expansion offered a lot more money than Macarthur did.
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+xWestern have lost their last 5 games in a row and have conceded 14 goals while just scoring just 1 goal. Three of those matches were against teams outside the top 6 as well. With the squad they have, that's an appalling return. Is it time for #RudanOut? It’s certainly concerning. The players look tired and appear to lack motivation. No idea what’s causing this, but it’s been a very long fall for a team that was scoring for fun at times in the past. Certainly interesting to see City lock on top spot and the likelihood of both of the other 2 Victorian sites in the bottom 3.
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To be honest I dont know what this club represents, no home and no identity which equals a big problem!
I can see Mark Rudan not staying on for next season, they look a team that's lost for ideas in recent games.
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+x+xWestern have lost their last 5 games in a row and have conceded 14 goals while just scoring just 1 goal. Three of those matches were against teams outside the top 6 as well. With the squad they have, that's an appalling return. Is it time for #RudanOut? It’s certainly concerning. The players look tired and appear to lack motivation. No idea what’s causing this, but it’s been a very long fall for a team that was scoring for fun at times in the past. Certainly interesting to see City lock on top spot and the likelihood of both of the other 2 Victorian sites in the bottom 3. That Adelaide game where they lost from a bad VAR call must have burned them mentally, because they haven't been the same since that game.
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+xTo be honest I dont know what this club represents, no home and no identity which equals a big problem! I can see Mark Rudan not staying on for next season, they look a team that's lost for ideas in recent games. Bitumen and Grass... it says so on their website. Just don't mention the second instalment of the license payment....
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