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paulc
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+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters
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HortoMagiko
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+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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paulc
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+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters.
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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paulc
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+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. LOL if you think 6,000 is a serious crowd. No ridicule other 1. having a go at the MV fans and 2. that home semi final involving the supposedly biggest club in the land with 26,000 members confirms even they don't treat it as a serious competition. Your so called wanting improvements when you struggle to even understand the most basics is ROFL.
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. LOL Mister anti-Football.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. LOL if you think 6,000 is a serious crowd. No ridicule other 1. having a go at the MV fans and 2. that home semi final involving the supposedly biggest club in the land with 26,000 members confirms even they don't treat it as a serious competition. Your so called wanting improvements when you struggle to even understand the most basics is ROFL. Witness the backpedal. how embarrssing. didnt you say the comp will be dead in 3 years? Dont pussy out now.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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paulc
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. LOL if you think 6,000 is a serious crowd. No ridicule other 1. having a go at the MV fans and 2. that home semi final involving the supposedly biggest club in the land with 26,000 members confirms even they don't treat it as a serious competition. Your so called wanting improvements when you struggle to even understand the most basics is ROFL. Witness the backpedal. how embarrssing. didnt you say the comp will be dead in 3 years? Dont pussy out now. Nope. No back peddle. You bitters said 3 years tops when the HAL was announced in 2004 so if I ever repeated 3 years tops like so many before me then it was tongue in cheek but you're either too dumb to realize that or you are in denial, probably both.
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City Sam
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+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have?
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have? Paulcs just talking about the problems he has when urinating.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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paulc
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+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have? His slash and burn is to destroy everything we have gained in the last 11 years so we can start again ala NSL style so his precious West Adelaide Hellas and SM Hellas can join the A-League and justify in his twisted mind that Greeks are the superior race.
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HortoMagiko
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have? His slash and burn is to destroy everything we have gained in the last 11 years so we can start again ala NSL style so his precious West Adelaide Hellas and SM Hellas can join the A-League and justify in his twisted mind that Greeks are the superior race. "West Adelaide Hellas" Youre fkn retarded grandpa. i have never set foot in adelaide in my life and i probably never will. Delusional.. Ive never said a peep about them. and ivd never said any kind of bigoted shit about racial superiority. look at my history of comments and try to dig one up. you won't find one bc youre a geriatric remnant from white australia whose clock cant tick fast enough. Smfc are a viable expansion option and your flimsy propaganda is wearing thin....no onee is seeing these imaginary ethnics that haunt you. best have a lie down and cuddle your southern cross doona pops.
Is Wellington diverse? Dont know, however this is a club that has no historical or existing link to a specific migrant group - Rusty Einstein
The negative stereotypes are perpetuated by people who either have no idea or are serving a vested interest; neither viewpoint should get anywhere near running Australian football - Ange Postecoglou
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paulc
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have? His slash and burn is to destroy everything we have gained in the last 11 years so we can start again ala NSL style so his precious West Adelaide Hellas and SM Hellas can join the A-League and justify in his twisted mind that Greeks are the superior race. "West Adelaide Hellas" Youre fkn retarded grandpa. i have never set foot in adelaide in my life and i probably never will. Delusional.. Ive never said a peep about them. and ivd never said any kind of bigoted shit about racial superiority. look at my history of comments and try to dig one up. you won't find one bc youre a geriatric remnant from white australia whose clock cant tick fast enough. Smfc are a viable expansion option and your flimsy propaganda is wearing thin....no onee is seeing these imaginary ethnics that haunt you. best have a lie down and cuddle your southern cross doona pops. Well it might your mate I'm thinking about, you're all alike but hose imaginary ethnics you mentioned aren't allowed to play against each other in front of the general public because of ethnic violence as a flow on of wars that occurred hundreds of years ago on the other side of the world. Want to deny that as well?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have? His slash and burn is to destroy everything we have gained in the last 11 years so we can start again ala NSL style so his precious West Adelaide Hellas and SM Hellas can join the A-League and justify in his twisted mind that Greeks are the superior race. "West Adelaide Hellas" Youre fkn retarded grandpa. i have never set foot in adelaide in my life and i probably never will. Delusional.. Ive never said a peep about them. and ivd never said any kind of bigoted shit about racial superiority. look at my history of comments and try to dig one up. you won't find one bc youre a geriatric remnant from white australia whose clock cant tick fast enough. Smfc are a viable expansion option and your flimsy propaganda is wearing thin....no onee is seeing these imaginary ethnics that haunt you. best have a lie down and cuddle your southern cross doona pops. Well it might your mate I'm thinking about, you're all alike but hose imaginary ethnics you mentioned aren't allowed to play against each other in front of the general public because of ethnic violence as a flow on of wars that occurred hundreds of years ago on the other side of the world. Want to deny that as well? Please provide evidence and ill provide evidence that smfc had to play mvfc behind closed doors due to violence perptrated by mvfc fans...,, nothing racial about it.. just a bunch of dickheads. It pains me that fans of my own club would bash defenceless old men at lakeside.... anyway its a fkn stupid line of discussion,., Lets entertain paulys delusional paranoid fantasy land for a second... if smfc get in, and preston do too...and theres one whiff of violence then the perps get banned for life. Its that sinple.. it wont descend into the nuclear war that will destroy the game as u say... at best it will be a little scuffle ala rbb and nt....and bans will be handed out...finished. Youre really stretching it.,,, and thats if preston get in. i dont know if theyre viable or if theyve made the same progess smfc have to fullly becoming a broad based club... i only speak for smfc.., Youre full of shit.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game. LOL when MVFC get's more than 6,000 for a do or die semi at home then we know the FFA cup will be treated more seriously by all. And there's nothing wrong with the NPL clubs, just a few are insular and refuse to broaden their base but at the same time want the limelight in top football lol. You criticise anything the FFA do and you like the slash and burn effect as a way to progress football with that pea brain of yours, but hey that's normal for bitters. Again ridiculing the ffa cup. and you think its funny. i have no semblance of an idea why any football fan would feel the need to ridicule our national cup comp... it simply beggars belief.... if i now seriously have to explain to you why the comp has merit, and benefits to australian football, and doesnt desrve your ridicule, then you def deserve to make this list as an enemy of the game. If i criticise the ffa its bc i want to see football grow in aus, if i want "slash and burn", as you call it, which when translated means "progress", then so do a fair few prominent organisations and major stakeholders... im not alone in wanting improvement at ffa. You have a ffa is holier than thou philosophy, which flies in the face of rational discusssion. What is this slash and burn idea you have? His slash and burn is to destroy everything we have gained in the last 11 years so we can start again ala NSL style so his precious West Adelaide Hellas and SM Hellas can join the A-League and justify in his twisted mind that Greeks are the superior race. "West Adelaide Hellas" Youre fkn retarded grandpa. i have never set foot in adelaide in my life and i probably never will. Delusional.. Ive never said a peep about them. and ivd never said any kind of bigoted shit about racial superiority. look at my history of comments and try to dig one up. you won't find one bc youre a geriatric remnant from white australia whose clock cant tick fast enough. Smfc are a viable expansion option and your flimsy propaganda is wearing thin....no onee is seeing these imaginary ethnics that haunt you. best have a lie down and cuddle your southern cross doona pops. His an Ethnic Slav from FYROM. need we say more? yet his people use Hellenic symbols all the time, even on their flag. It's friggin hilarious but they are wannabe Greeks.
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+x+x+xChannel 7 Murdoch Bogans (yep, all of them) John Hartigan Alan Jones Ron Barrasi All Cops Eddie Mcguire Sean Sowerby Koch Bernard Keane Sam Newman Neil Mitchell Ali Clarke Great list. Must add a couple to that...... 1. Various Foxtel hosts like Peter Van Onselen, Paul Murray etc. Rita has already been mentioned. 2. Bitters 3. paulc For constantly belittling and ridiculing our player pathways npl clubs (commonly refering to them as tinpot and cornerstore) , for ridiculing the npl competition itself and last but not least for ridiculing the ffa cup...and he thinks its funny. Paulc is most definitely worthy of making this list... one of the most anti-football posters here thats for sure. Enemy of the game.
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Can't believe it didn't include Eddie!
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McGuire is such a fucking snake. Hate that he dares to associate with Celtic whilst simultaneously undermining the game.
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+xMcGuire is such a fucking snake. Hate that he dares to associate with Celtic whilst simultaneously undermining the game. Where (or why) do you hear eddie ? (I dont listen to Melbourne radio or read the herald sun and don't know who most these people are)
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Enemy No. 7 125 000 000- adrtho
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+xEnemy No. 7 125 000 000- adrtho This.
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People who take flares to the game If you think active support isn't good enough then fuck off back to Europe or wherever it is you are trying to emulate Stop trying to out do the great work done by active support and stop trying to create a negative image for our sport just for your 15 minutes I'd also add the NRL / AFL driven FFA. Football isn't going to go anywhere in this country as a stand alone elite commercial cash cow for a handful of execs. We want an all inclusive game for players and fans. We want an ACL spot for the FFA cup, and we want a direct path to the A League. The key to the game is viability, not profitability. If you want to make money from our game - buy a licence and start a team
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On the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend.
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City Sam
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+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. And we can actually thank video games for that one, mainly FIFA. It gets kids to learn about the sport and then want to play it. And when the next generation comes through it will be more people following football and the AFL/Rugby know that it is coming.
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+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. And we can actually thank video games for that one, mainly FIFA. It gets kids to learn about the sport and then want to play it. And when the next generation comes through it will be more people following football and the AFL/Rugby know that it is coming. The older generation might not understand it, but FIFA, Football Manager and all the other games are a huge boost to football that the other codes just don't have. Even the most bogan kid has played FIFA, and now with the inclusion of the A-League it's a great leg up for the generation coming through.
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+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. And we can actually thank video games for that one, mainly FIFA. It gets kids to learn about the sport and then want to play it. And when the next generation comes through it will be more people following football and the AFL/Rugby know that it is coming. The older generation might not understand it, but FIFA, Football Manager and all the other games are a huge boost to football that the other codes just don't have. Even the most bogan kid has played FIFA, and now with the inclusion of the A-League it's a great leg up for the generation coming through. I was watching Playschool this morning and their were 3 women on their sing "if you're happy and you know it kick a ball". I assume they are Matildas or something. I have also noticed they do acknowledge football/soccer a lot (aslo AFL) on ABC Kids. Also in all forms of media. Having not been in Australia for an extended period for 13 years it really stands out. So it is becoming part of our baby/infant/toddler culture too. :) Giggle and Hoot is a particular favourite and many kids send in pictures of them or the owls and bat playing soccer.
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+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there.
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City Sam
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+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there. Apart from some proper bogan areas, i'd go as far to say it is the most popular sport for kids now. From what i see more kids play football than AFL, i'm from Melbourne so i don't really see many people play Rugby, but football definitely making a lot of progress.
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+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there. Apart from some proper bogan areas, i'd go as far to say it is the most popular sport for kids now. From what i see more kids play football than AFL, i'm from Melbourne so i don't really see many people play Rugby, but football definitely making a lot of progress.
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+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there. Apart from some proper bogan areas, i'd go as far to say it is the most popular sport for kids now. From what i see more kids play football than AFL, i'm from Melbourne so i don't really see many people play Rugby, but football definitely making a lot of progress. Also from Melbourne. Mmmmm. Rugby definitely doesn't have much of a hold. I'm not sure about more kids (at least lads) playing football than Aussie rules though, bogan or non-bogan areas. It's true that there's definitely a lot of kids playing football who previously wouldn't have done. I'm getting the feeling that the participation levels have the AFL concerned. But where I'm from, the majority of lads still play Aussie Rules. Also, I'm not talking about bogan areas. I'm talking about inner eastern suburbs, mostly private schools. Great word though bogan is, I think it can apply to people who are rather wealthy and/or well-educated. So for this thread, I'll say working-class, instead. I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding on this forum of the AFL's support base. It seems that many think it draws its support from the working-classes. It has a lot of support there. But part of the reason the bloody sport has had so much success is because it has successfully transcended class differences. It has a heck of a lot of support in upper-middle class and wealthy circles, too. As I say, it's rules the roost in most of the horribly expensive private schools in Melbourne, in my experience. It's ridiculously influential. Wealthy business people, bankers, barristers, specialist doctors, they'll often go to AFL matches. They are often MCC members. And they'll often be discussing AFL among themselves quite a lot. Often, they played Aussie rules as kids and their kids play it, too..
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+x+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there. Apart from some proper bogan areas, i'd go as far to say it is the most popular sport for kids now. From what i see more kids play football than AFL, i'm from Melbourne so i don't really see many people play Rugby, but football definitely making a lot of progress. Also from Melbourne. Mmmmm. Rugby definitely doesn't have much of a hold. I'm not sure about more kids (at least lads) playing football than Aussie rules though, bogan or non-bogan areas. It's true that there's definitely a lot of kids playing football who previously wouldn't have done. I'm getting the feeling that the participation levels have the AFL concerned. But where I'm from, the majority of lads still play Aussie Rules. Also, I'm not talking about bogan areas. I'm talking about inner eastern suburbs, mostly private schools. Great word though bogan is, I think it can apply to people who are rather wealthy and/or well-educated. So for this thread, I'll say working-class, instead. I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding on this forum of the AFL's support base. It seems that many think it draws its support from the working-classes. It has a lot of support there. But part of the reason the bloody sport has had so much success is because it has successfully transcended class differences. It has a heck of a lot of support in upper-middle class and wealthy circles, too. As I say, it's rules the roost in most of the horribly expensive private schools in Melbourne, in my experience. It's ridiculously influential. Wealthy business people, bankers, barristers, specialist doctors, they'll often go to AFL matches. They are often MCC members. And they'll often be discussing AFL among themselves quite a lot. Often, they played Aussie rules as kids and their kids play it, too.. Definitely agree with that, it generally is very popular in the wealthy private schools due to lack of working class roots in those schools and football is definitely a sport where a lot of support are those of working class origins. And with AFL being the main sport for a long time it has been passed down generation to generation with all those people looking down on football. But it is turning around from what i have been seeing.
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+x+x+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there. Apart from some proper bogan areas, i'd go as far to say it is the most popular sport for kids now. From what i see more kids play football than AFL, i'm from Melbourne so i don't really see many people play Rugby, but football definitely making a lot of progress. Also from Melbourne. Mmmmm. Rugby definitely doesn't have much of a hold. I'm not sure about more kids (at least lads) playing football than Aussie rules though, bogan or non-bogan areas. It's true that there's definitely a lot of kids playing football who previously wouldn't have done. I'm getting the feeling that the participation levels have the AFL concerned. But where I'm from, the majority of lads still play Aussie Rules. Also, I'm not talking about bogan areas. I'm talking about inner eastern suburbs, mostly private schools. Great word though bogan is, I think it can apply to people who are rather wealthy and/or well-educated. So for this thread, I'll say working-class, instead. I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding on this forum of the AFL's support base. It seems that many think it draws its support from the working-classes. It has a lot of support there. But part of the reason the bloody sport has had so much success is because it has successfully transcended class differences. It has a heck of a lot of support in upper-middle class and wealthy circles, too. As I say, it's rules the roost in most of the horribly expensive private schools in Melbourne, in my experience. It's ridiculously influential. Wealthy business people, bankers, barristers, specialist doctors, they'll often go to AFL matches. They are often MCC members. And they'll often be discussing AFL among themselves quite a lot. Often, they played Aussie rules as kids and their kids play it, too.. Definitely agree with that, it generally is very popular in the wealthy private schools due to lack of working class roots in those schools and football is definitely a sport where a lot of support are those of working class origins. And with AFL being the main sport for a long time it has been passed down generation to generation with all those people looking down on football. But it is turning around from what i have been seeing. Absolutely. EA Sports is our biggest ally!
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+x+x+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. Kids under fifteen certainly don't need to be built like a fridge to play Aussie Rules well. In fact, even at elite level, they don't always need to be. Also, based on where I'm from, it's not the case that kids under fifteen like AFL purely because of their parents. They just like it (partly because of the rules/dynamics and partly because of its place in society). The dominance it has in the sporting landscape and the 'tribal' aspects help its cause enormously. But I agree that football is making inroads with kids under 15. Imo, the biggest help is EA Sports and maybe whoever does ProEvolution Soccer. That's something which no other sport, except basketball, can compete with. We really need a big shot in the arm in terms of NT success and Aussies Abroad, though. If something like the World Cup in Germany can be replicated and the A-League gets a bit more success, then you can imagine Aussie Rules battling to garner support with the younger generations. The feeling of elation when the NT do well, imo, basically can't be matched by anything they have. Plus, when I was really young, Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka were doing fantastic things for Leeds. If we had Aussies Abroad doing that (a bit like the basketball equivalents are) then people get enthusiastic. Australia's an incredibly parochial country. When an Aussie stands out compared to the rest of the world (lately Ben Simmons, Matthew Dellavedova) people start frothing. Admittedly, I'm as bad as anybody else there. Apart from some proper bogan areas, i'd go as far to say it is the most popular sport for kids now. From what i see more kids play football than AFL, i'm from Melbourne so i don't really see many people play Rugby, but football definitely making a lot of progress. Also from Melbourne. Mmmmm. Rugby definitely doesn't have much of a hold. I'm not sure about more kids (at least lads) playing football than Aussie rules though, bogan or non-bogan areas. It's true that there's definitely a lot of kids playing football who previously wouldn't have done. I'm getting the feeling that the participation levels have the AFL concerned. But where I'm from, the majority of lads still play Aussie Rules. Also, I'm not talking about bogan areas. I'm talking about inner eastern suburbs, mostly private schools. Great word though bogan is, I think it can apply to people who are rather wealthy and/or well-educated. So for this thread, I'll say working-class, instead. I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding on this forum of the AFL's support base. It seems that many think it draws its support from the working-classes. It has a lot of support there. But part of the reason the bloody sport has had so much success is because it has successfully transcended class differences. It has a heck of a lot of support in upper-middle class and wealthy circles, too. As I say, it's rules the roost in most of the horribly expensive private schools in Melbourne, in my experience. It's ridiculously influential. Wealthy business people, bankers, barristers, specialist doctors, they'll often go to AFL matches. They are often MCC members. And they'll often be discussing AFL among themselves quite a lot. Often, they played Aussie rules as kids and their kids play it, too.. Definitely agree with that, it generally is very popular in the wealthy private schools due to lack of working class roots in those schools and football is definitely a sport where a lot of support are those of working class origins. And with AFL being the main sport for a long time it has been passed down generation to generation with all those people looking down on football. But it is turning around from what i have been seeing. If you read the fantastic book by Roy Hay and Bill Murray called "A history of Fooball in Australia," you'll realise that Australian Rules, like Rugby Union, very much had it's foundation in "Public School" (Elite Private Schools) schoolboy games and was formally organised by elites of society so it could eliminate the rougher elements and become a respectable pursuit for them to continue following school. Here it was the games played within and between Scotch and Melbourne Grammar that laid the foundation for what is now AFL. It's why AFL has had an iron grip on those schools in the east and south east for so long.
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+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. You are making an assumption that those believing in the code wars commonly make, that it is a binary decision. FFA OR AFL, but that kid playing FIFA on the playstation, walking around with a Messi shirt, playing a football game on the weekend, is still probably a NRL or AFL fan as well, and the thing is, he is probably more likely to go to a NRL or AFL game than an A-league game, because Messi doesn't play in the A-league, and the players he stuffs his FIFA online team with don`t either.
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Junior reporters who go fishing in the DM’s of football fans
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+xJunior reporters who go fishing in the DM’s of football fans
Chris Ikonomidis can confirm.
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+x+xJunior reporters who go fishing in the DM’s of football fans
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+x+x+x+xOn the flip side - the friends of Australian football: 1, Kids u15. Most kids without interaction from parents will chose football over AFL / Rugby or most other sports. Why? Because it is simply a better game. The rules are better - its more fun to play, has better atmosphere, in is inclusive (you do not have to be build like a fridge to play) etc. It is fun to watch at any level (go watch the local u12s in football then do the same in AFL/rudgy to see what I mean). AFL and Rugby survive in the current Australian landscape because of older people who have grown up with it. In time as this younger generation becomes older the shift from these codes that have failed to the world game will happen. It will occur quicker if the football gods shine (e.g. national teams do well, a-league continues to improve, FFA improve, media removes its bias etc). In 50 years the sporting environment in Australia will be very different. The AFL and rugby bosses know but I think the greater public are yet to comprehend. And we can actually thank video games for that one, mainly FIFA. It gets kids to learn about the sport and then want to play it. And when the next generation comes through it will be more people following football and the AFL/Rugby know that it is coming. The older generation might not understand it, but FIFA, Football Manager and all the other games are a huge boost to football that the other codes just don't have. Even the most bogan kid has played FIFA, and now with the inclusion of the A-League it's a great leg up for the generation coming through. I was watching Playschool this morning and their were 3 women on their sing "if you're happy and you know it kick a ball". I assume they are Matildas or something. I have also noticed they do acknowledge football/soccer a lot (aslo AFL) on ABC Kids. Also in all forms of media. Having not been in Australia for an extended period for 13 years it really stands out. So it is becoming part of our baby/infant/toddler culture too. :) Giggle and Hoot is a particular favourite and many kids send in pictures of them or the owls and bat playing soccer. It's Caitlin Cooper, Ellie Carpenter and Michelle Heyman.
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Sorry paladishious and I'm sure what you say is factual but most people in Sydney would not have a clue who the people on your list are. Still good to name and shame them anyway
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+xSorry paladishious and I'm sure what you say is factual but most people in Sydney would not have a clue who the people on your list are. Still good to name and shame them anyway Well that just highlights why they are so afraid, doesn't it?
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I'd suggest a drinking game where we take a swig whenever pauly finds a way to bring up that Hume away semi, but I don't want to be responsible for the inevitable deaths from alcohol poisoning.
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Colman’s Call: Where are the countless NRL scandals and the late-night shenanigans? Roar torn apart in South Korea McGuire more than a Parker replacement Cowboys face losing Taumalolo and Scott You call this an NRL pre-season? Where are the regular scandals and the late-night shenanigans? Former NRL boss David Gallop used to call the last week of pre-season a “double demerit” period. You know, like the public holidays when police ramp up penalties in the hope of discouraging motorists from getting a bellyful and behaving like complete idiots. Or even worse, like rugby league players. In the end Gallop got so sick of his media manager John Brady ringing him at 2am during the pre-season to report the latest affront that he left the NRL and joined the FFA where he doesn’t have to worry about the behaviour of the players. Just of the supporters. But while Gallop and Brady might have gone, the memories remain. http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/opinion/colmans-call-where-are-the-countless-nrl-scandals-and-the-latenight-shenanigans/news-story/72a37ee6f861b3c33274cafeef2b3b13
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5aa radio ( owned by newscorp )
Graham Cornes
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David Penburthy
All of these rave on about AFL , Adelaide Oval and how soccer needs to pull its weight , fund itself ,get rid of diving , ban nil all draws... every cliche you can think of
Thankfully , this radio station is no longer a media partner of Adelaide United.
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Love how this guys always goes on about sokkah being full of cheats, from everything from diving to walls creeping closer. Yet he was like a rabid dog defending Esendon's doping regime and absolutely pulls himself silly over Lance Armstrong.
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+x5aa radio ( owned by newscorp ) Graham Cornes David Koch David Penburthy All of these rave on about AFL , Adelaide Oval and how soccer needs to pull its weight , fund itself ,get rid of diving , ban nil all draws... every cliche you can think of Thankfully , this radio station is no longer a media partner of Adelaide United. And more importantly which media partner has taken their place? If none is the answer then this is bad news. We need as much media support our game can get, even if it means certain personalities within it will still put our game down.
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Why the lack of hate for Bourbon Becky? She may be dead but she is still an enemy of football.
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+xWhy the lack of hate for Bourbon Becky? She may be dead but she is still an enemy of football. If that article wasn't published shortly after she died I'd like to think they'd put her ghost in it.
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+x+x5aa radio ( owned by newscorp ) Graham Cornes David Koch David Penburthy All of these rave on about AFL , Adelaide Oval and how soccer needs to pull its weight , fund itself ,get rid of diving , ban nil all draws... every cliche you can think of Thankfully , this radio station is no longer a media partner of Adelaide United. And more importantly which media partner has taken their place? If none is the answer then this is bad news. We need as much media support our game can get, even if it means certain personalities within it will still put our game down. Triple MMM
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Federal, State and Local governments who refuse to spend money on football fields for local clubs or stadia for professional clubs, whilst at the same time, dossing out millions of dollars to Aussie Rules, Rugby League, Cricket, Rugby Union. How about a fair split of the funding dollar for football.
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I'm sorry for posting here but I couldn't find a relevant thread. I live in Melbourne and on a daily basis have anything remotely or loosely related to AFL shoved down my throat. Today was no different as I flicked through channels I saw that Ange postecoglou was coming up on 7 news, a reliable source I know but I chose to record it and go and do something else anyway. I came back and flicked through and low and behold 90% of the sports report was AFL but I persevered trying to find Anges stern face and...... nothing they had cut it! Btw the rest of the reports were nrl, local cricket and something else I can't remember but this to me is bs. The fact that a story covering our national football team can get booted for more afl and cricket makes a statement in this sporting landscape the fact it was soccah that was cut doesn't surprise me because I have been a football fan since I was a kid BUT I am disappointed I mean did they think we wouldn't notice? I don't know but considering this thread lists channel 7 as footballs no1 enemy maybe I have posted in the right spot
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Yep you posted it in the right spot.
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Are David Gallop and Stephen Lowy on the list, in light of recent developments?
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+xAre David Gallop and Stephen Lowy on the list, in light of recent developments? Top of the list. In light of every development.
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Joondalup Council Joondalup United to remain without permanent home after councillors reject Beldon Park upgrades Beldon Park.PROPOSED upgrades at Beldon Park will not go ahead. Joondalup councillors at Tuesday’s meeting voted 12-1 not to proceed with the upgrades that would allow Beldon Park to meet National Premier Leagues WA (NPL WA) standards and give Joondalup United Football Club a home ground after 17 years. City officers recommended against the upgrades, with the cost of works estimated between $4.67 million and $4.9 million. A council document also said it was “evident from the community reaction, particularly from those living within the suburb of Beldon, that the community believes the proposal… would lead to a significant change in amenity”. MORE: WA Police make arrests after woman allegedly shot in home invasion MORE: Experienced skydiver dies in accident at Australian Skydiving Championships in York MORE: April Pools Day: CPR workshop to help equip parents with skills to save life in emergency MORE: Beauty and the Beast review: tale as old as time a magical experience with gusto In December, the council earmarked Beldon Park as a preferred home ground for Joondalup United and requested a report on possible upgrades and for community consultation. Consultation ran from January 23 to February 13, with 576 responses received from the community as well as responses from Joondalup United, Beldon Primary School, Beldon Shopping Centre and the Department of Education. About 41 per cent of the respondents were from residents living in Beldon, with about 82 per cent opposed to a second soccer field, 77 per cent opposed to floodlighting at competition standard and 62 per cent opposed at training standard. About 88 per cent opposed fencing around all sides of one field, 75 per cent opposed limestone retaining for seating and 47 per cent did not support a redevelopment of the existing toilets and change rooms. The council also received a 742-signature petition at its February meeting opposing the redevelopment. At the meeting, residents again expressed concerns of losing access to the “only oval in Beldon”, the effect it would have on school activities and increased traffic. Beldon Residents Association secretary Nicky Dangar also requested the City set up online access to a booking system so residents could see when the facilities would be available. Councillor Liam Gobbert said while he supported the officers’ recommendation not to proceed with the upgrades, he was “disappointed” with the recommendation that requested the chief executive to “continue to liaise with Joondalup United in finding a solution for it to be able to host both its NPL WA and community-based fixtures”. He said it was a “limbo position” for the City, whose role was to “assist community groups”. “I guess all we can do is to see what happens, what comes back,” he said. “I think we’ve done a lot of research to date to see how, when, where, why we could accommodate Joondalup United.” Others speaking for the officers’ recommendation included Crs Mike Norman, Russell Poliwka, Philippa Taylor, John Chester, Russ Fishwick and Mayor Troy Pickard. However, Cr Nige Jones, who voted against the officers’ recommendation, said if the City did not find a permanent home for Joondalup United, he “feared they may be forced to look outside the City of Joondalup boundaries for a home”. “Joondalup United are an amazing success story in our region,” he said. “The first team comprises of about 14 semi-professional players and the rest of the 400-plus players in the club are not. “The committee members are volunteers.” He urged the chief executive to make liaising with Joondalup United to find a solution to host NPL WA games “on a permanent basis” a priority. The council document said the other grounds Joondalup United uses – Charonia Park in Mullaloo, Forrest Park in Padbury and Prince Regent Park in Heathridge – have been deemed unsuitable to be upgraded to NPL WA standards. Joondalup United will continue playing this season’s home NPL WA games at Percy Doyle Reserve in Duncraig as part of an agreement with Sorrento Football Club. Local governments want help from Football West LOCAL governments in the northern corridor want Football West to work with them to help with funding and providing football facilities. At the City of Joondalup’s December meeting, council requested the WA Local Government Association (WALGA) engage with Football West to help clubs achieve National Premier League (NPL) status, rather than the responsibility resting with the local government. Last month, the north metropolitan zone of WALGA, which includes the cities of Joondalup, Wanneroo and Stirling, moved a motion to request the WALGA state council to “advocate on behalf of local government and engage with the Department of Sport and Recreation and Football West to inform them that the sector’s role is to support community-based sport and recreation development and that the development of the elite/high level sport facilities should be funded through the state and state sporting associations”. It was also requested that local governments be “consulted in the development of the Football West strategic plan and that it develops a sustainable model for the provision and management of NPL facility development and relegation”. A meeting document said Football West was currently developing a new strategic plan under the Football Federation Australia’s (FFA) plan that was released in May 2015. This national plan includes Football West having a facilities strategy that supports the local community with every local government having access to “some kind of football facilities” and for FFA, Football West and “various levels of government” to work together to help “fund and provide football facilities”. “In addition to the development of a new strategic plan, Football West has advised it will be conducting a comprehensive review of the NPL… and working closely with all stakeholders, including local governments, to assess facility requirements to ensure the future growth of Football West clubs and competitions,” the document said
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AFL hands soccer a free kick by clearing Ziebell hit on Travis Cloke Before we get stuck into this business about bumping players in the AFL — it’s a hot topic after Bulldog Travis Cloke had his ribs crushed into manly mulch last Friday night — we have a little message to deliver. It is from a droolingly gracious soccer boss David Gallop and it is to be to passed on to the AFL’s boffin of boffins, Gillon McLachlan. It is a thank you note from Football Federation Australia saying how grateful they are that the AFL gave the round-ball game — and let’s face it, the A-League is struggling — a very important leg-up yesterday. It is believed Gallop wept with joy when he read that North Melbourne’s Jack Ziebell had been cleared of any misdemeanours when he charged into Cloke after the Bulldog forward had kicked the ball. When contact was made to Cloke’s chest by the rampant Ziebell the ball was some 10 metres on the way to its target. However the tribunal members — Michael Christian, Nathan Burke and Jason Johnson — amazingly ruled that when Ziebell broke Cloke’s chest into little pieces he was in the act of kicking. As much as we regard Christian, Burke and Johnson to be fine men with a mountain of football behind them, the decision to clear Ziebell is the work of ratbags. If Cloke was still regarded as being in the throes of kicking the ball when he had already booted it at least 10 metres, then, pray, Messrs Christian, Burke and Johnson, when is the act of kicking deemed complete? Obviously not when it has left the boot. When the ball is marked maybe? When it travels 60 metres for a goal, when it finds the boundary line? All a bit silly and arbitrary don’t you think? Might just be the ball is deemed kicked, well, when it has been kicked. Left the boot. Too simple? Some AFL officials believe the right decision would have been to pay a free kick down field after deeming Ziebell’s hit late. Well, if deserved of a free kick then it was an illegal act by Ziebell and the match review panel would have had to take into account the damage to Cloke. But the AFL position was that Cloke’s injuries are irrelevant to the decision because the panel found the contact to be legal. Don’t judge the incident on the aftermath rather consider whether was it legal in the first place. And here is the problem. In no way can Ziebell’s bump be deemed legal. While tribunal and AFL representatives maintain that Ziebell had hit Cloke before the ball left his boot they are clearly wrong. The vision indisputably shows Cloke kicking and then getting crunched. In fact, Ziebell seemed to have no other intention other than charging into Cloke. That he had kicked the ball did not deter him. And the tribunal guidelines state clearly that the body is sacrosanct in certain conditions. Here is the relevant section: Rough Conduct (Bumps to the Body) “It should be noted that even if the rule relating to high bumps does not apply (for example in the case of a bump to the body), a player may still be guilty of rough conduct if his conduct was unreasonable in the circumstances. In determining whether any bump was unreasonable in the circumstances, without limitation, regard may be had to whether: ● The degree of force applied by the person bumping was excessive for the situation; ● The player being bumped was in a vulnerable position; and ● The player could reasonably expect the contact having regard to his involvement in play or ability to influence the contest.” So was the force applied excessive in the circumstances? Given that Cloke had already kicked the ball, then hell yeah. Cloke was in a most vulnerable position. He had kicked the ball clear of the contest and should not have expected contact. And finally, given that Cloke had kicked the ball on to a new contest then he had no right to expect a crunching. And so under these guidelines it is indisputable that the tribunal made a hideously bad decision yesterday and their right to continue on the match review panel should be reviewed. Their verdict was that bad. If a parent has any fear that his or her child will be injured badly and unnecessary playing a contact ball sport then they should immediately scrap plans for kids to play Australian Rules. Yesterday’s tribunal decision is so wretched it is a glossy, embossed invite to soccer training. Must leave you here. We still have a letter to drop off. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/afl-hands-soccer-a-free-kick-by-clearing-jack-ziebell-hit-on-travis-cloke/news-story/9ec41e7557604b4b99cf17c2d83522c9
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How though. How can you relate this to sokkah.
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+x,How though. How can you relate this to sokkah. Probably the most bizarre 'article' I have ever read (well, I skimmed). Equal parts pro, anti and irrelevant to football 
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+x+x,How though. How can you relate this to sokkah. Probably the most bizarre 'article' I have ever read (well, I skimmed). Equal parts pro, anti and irrelevant to football Sums it all up doesn't it.
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Patrick smith? It has his weirdness all over it
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Sydney FC are the greatest team in Australian football – why don't you care? Peter FitzSimons Sydney raise Premiers' Plate What is wrong with you bastards? Let me start with the egg-ballers first. Just how ingrained are your ancient prejudices against football, that you continue to not give a flying doughnut about the greatest football team this country has ever seen? (And I do mean the greatest of all codes of football in that claim, but meantime, don't you DARE call our game by its "slave-name" of "soccer", because we find that offensive, particularly when it comes from you egg-ballers, you aerial ping-pongers, you knuckle-dragging Neanderthal nutter leaguies, you poncy rah-rahs who delight in putting your heads between other men's thighs. And don't you ever fail to acknowledge that ours is the only true world game, the only real beautiful game the only ... but don't get me started, because ... I can go on a bit.) I am, of course, talking about Sydney's own team, Sydney FC, who after last week's 2-0 victory again Newcastle in the Hyundai Kawasaki Honda Toyota Panasonic A-League, can now, officially, "lay claim to being the greatest team in Australian football history". True! As we Sydney FC nutters know only too well, our boys have nailed 66 points from a possible 81 in our 20 fabulous victories, from 27 starts. The previous record was held by Brisbane Roar, who had just 65 points, and our boys of Sydney FC got their points on three fewer games! You get it? Champions: Sydney FC celebrate with the Premiers' Plate. Do you care? Champions: Sydney FC celebrate with the Premiers' Plate. Do you care? Photo: Getty Images Your tragically absurd prejudices aside, this really is the greatest team Australian football has ever had – think St George from 1956 to 1966, the 1991 Wallabies and Hawthorn in the golden years, all wrapped in one – and yet what do they get for it? A mooted parade down George St? The freedom of the city? The need for security to be doubled at their every appearance, and tickets to their matches being furiously sold at three times the stub price, 'cos everybody wants to go? Nuh. Try three-fifths of bugger all. The truth is there is more of a buzz on the streets about the Swans who of their four matches this year have won – dot six, carry two, subtract four – ZERO games. Attendances at their matches are about on par with the Waratahs, who have lately lost everything bar the will to live. Just one of the "Big Four" in the West Tigers gets more coverage if he breaks wind, than our team which – did I mention? – is Australian football's answer to Muhammad Ali, the greatest of all time! So what gives? Why don't you care? And as a matter of fact, I don't just mean you Neanderthal egg-ballers. You have had the shit beaten out of your brains for so long I guess you can't be expected to care! But what about the rest of you, actual soccer nutters? Back in the day we used to get 35,000 people to a great Sydney FC game, and yet this team is cracking it wide open, playing superlative football the whole way through, and not even you lot are turning up? Don't you think that makes us look like dicks? Didn't we laud it over the egg-ballers, braying how our game was going to take over, swamp the attendances of all the other games put together, say most unpleasant things about how we would kill their game off, and yet now, now we actually have a team that might be expected to fulfil some of our prophecies, we are staying home instead? Have we no pride? I am disgusted, disgusted, do you hear me? Our boys deserve better! The promised land is just up ahead, so where are the true believers!?!? http://www.smh.com.au/sport/the-fitz-files/sydney-fc-are-the-greatest-team-in-australian-football--why-dont-you-care-20170419-gvnv49.html
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God I hate Peter Fitzsimmons. So smug and supercilious. Acts like he's been given a god given right to tell us how it is in the most demeaning fashion possible.
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He got paid to write that?
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Like anyone gives a shit about Rugby....what a tosser.
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Did he get molested by a football player or something lmfao
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+xDid he get molested by a football player or something lmfao As he is a Knoxious plant, very possibly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Grammar_School#Sex_offences_by_teachers
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That Fitzsimmons article is shocking no wonder the newspapers are going under.
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This one is more of a lol NSW Premier’s ‘footy in mouth’ own-goal gaffe feast SANTALAB NAMED PLAYER OF SEASON WANDERERS DREAM OF DERBY FINALS CLASH PREMIER Gladys Berejiklian has scored a massive own goal after claiming Western Sydney Wanderers will “represent all of NSW” in this weekend’s A-League football finals — despite Sydney FC still being in the competition — while also getting FFA boss David Gallop’s name spectacularly wrong. The Berejiklian balls-up began as she told the Wanderers’ annual awards night that “all of NSW” will be cheering the club on as they face Brisbane Roar at Suncorp Stadium in Friday night’s do-or-die elimination finals match. The remark led to a number of puzzled glances at the black-tie event at Darling Harbour. And thousands of fans at Wanderers’ bitter cross-town rivals Sydney FC are likely to furiously disagree with the claim that all of the state will be behind the Western Sydney club. NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian addressing the Western Sydney Wanderers’ medal night in Sydney on Tuesday. Picture: Ryan Pierse/Getty Images Sydney FC are overwhelming favourites for this year’s A-League title, having won the minor premiership last weekend with a record points tally. The Wanderers finished a lowly sixth on the ladder. In another embarrassing gaffe, Ms Berejiklian called former NRL boss David Gallop “Geoff” at the awards night. The Premier, who is believed to have been speaking on the hoof, may have confused the FFA boss with Geoff Gallop, the former West Australian premier. Ms Berejiklian should have blown the final whistle on her speech right there — but followed up with another red card offence, urging Wanderers to “bring back the cup” from Friday’s match against the Brisbane Roar, suggesting the club wouldn’t be let back into the state if they didn’t clinch the title at Suncorp. The A-League grand final, where the title is awarded, is being held on May 7 and the trophy is not a “cup” — it actually resembles a toilet seat. Brisbane Roar players Brett Holman and Jamie Maclaren with A-League boss Greg O’Rourke and the A-League trophy that resembles a toilet seat. Ms Berejiklian’s knowledge of the world game certainly seems down the dunny at the moment, and City of Sydney Labor councillor Linda Scott, a diehard Sydney FC fan, didn’t hesitate to put the boot in. “If her benchmark for success is coming sixth against the minor premiers Sydney FC, her electoral prospects are looking even worse than the Liberal Party thought,” Ms Scott said. To prove politics is a game of two halves, The Daily Telegraph yesterday gave the Premier a chance to respond to her clangers. “I’ll admit I’ve kicked a couple of own goals while speaking off the cuff,” she said. “But as NSW Premier, I hope that the A-League trophy comes home to our state on May 7.” BEREJIKLIAN’S BALLS-UPS î Called FFA boss Geoff Gallop instead of David Gallop (Geoff is a former WA premier). î Said “all of NSW” is cheering for the Wanderers, despite Sydney FC still being in the competition. î Said the Wanderers must “bring back the cup” on Friday, despite the game against Brisbane Roar not being the grand final. î And another thing, Premier ... the A-League trophy is not a cup, it’s a trophy that looks like a toilet seat. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-premiers-footy-in-mouth-owngoal-gaffe-feast/news-story/d05f833b34fd7f2728a88d8fc5bc83cb
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+xThis one is more of a lolNSW Premier’s ‘footy in mouth’ own-goal gaffe feastSANTALAB NAMED PLAYER OF SEASONWANDERERS DREAM OF DERBY FINALS CLASHPREMIER Gladys Berejiklian has scored a massive own goal after claiming Western Sydney Wanderers will “represent all of NSW” in this weekend’s A-League football finals — despite Sydney FC still being in the competition — while also getting FFA boss David Gallop’s name spectacularly wrong.The Berejiklian balls-up began as she told the Wanderers’ annual awards night that “all of NSW” will be cheering the club on as they face Brisbane Roar at Suncorp Stadium in Friday night’s do-or-die elimination finals match.The remark led to a number of puzzled glances at the black-tie event at Darling Harbour. And thousands of fans at Wanderers’ bitter cross-town rivals Sydney FC are likely to furiously disagree with the claim that all of the state will be behind the Western Sydney club.NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian addressing the Western Sydney Wanderers’ medal night in Sydney on Tuesday. Picture: Ryan Pierse/Getty ImagesSydney FC are overwhelming favourites for this year’s A-League title, having won the minor premiership last weekend with a record points tally.The Wanderers finished a lowly sixth on the ladder.In another embarrassing gaffe, Ms Berejiklian called former NRL boss David Gallop “Geoff” at the awards night. The Premier, who is believed to have been speaking on the hoof, may have confused the FFA boss with Geoff Gallop, the former West Australian premier.Ms Berejiklian should have blown the final whistle on her speech right there — but followed up with another red card offence, urging Wanderers to “bring back the cup” from Friday’s match against the Brisbane Roar, suggesting the club wouldn’t be let back into the state if they didn’t clinch the title at Suncorp.The A-League grand final, where the title is awarded, is being held on May 7 and the trophy is not a “cup” — it actually resembles a toilet seat.Brisbane Roar players Brett Holman and Jamie Maclaren with A-League boss Greg O’Rourke and the A-League trophy that resembles a toilet seat.Ms Berejiklian’s knowledge of the world game certainly seems down the dunny at the moment, and City of Sydney Labor councillor Linda Scott, a diehard Sydney FC fan, didn’t hesitate to put the boot in.“If her benchmark for success is coming sixth against the minor premiers Sydney FC, her electoral prospects are looking even worse than the Liberal Party thought,” Ms Scott said.To prove politics is a game of two halves, The Daily Telegraph yesterday gave the Premier a chance to respond to her clangers.“I’ll admit I’ve kicked a couple of own goals while speaking off the cuff,” she said. “But as NSW Premier, I hope that the A-League trophy comes home to our state on May 7.”BEREJIKLIAN’S BALLS-UPSî Called FFA boss Geoff Gallop instead of David Gallop (Geoff is a former WA premier).î Said “all of NSW” is cheering for the Wanderers, despite Sydney FC still being in the competition.î Said the Wanderers must “bring back the cup” on Friday, despite the game against Brisbane Roar not being the grand final.î And another thing, Premier ... the A-League trophy is not a cup, it’s a trophy that looks like a toilet seat. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/nsw-premiers-footy-in-mouth-owngoal-gaffe-feast/news-story/d05f833b34fd7f2728a88d8fc5bc83cb “If her benchmark for success is coming sixth against the minor premiers Sydney FC, her electoral prospects are looking even worse than the Liberal Party thought,” Ms Scott said. :laugh:
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Another bizarre linkage from The Australian. Although it could be considered positive, it is totally unnecessary to mention football. It's more of a deflection tactic perhaps. Racism in sport: Always remember, they’re not footy fans Wally Mason Idiot in the crowd calling Eddie Betts an ape. Or the woman who was charged after writing on Facebook that Betts “should go back to the zoo where him and his family belong”. Not footy fans. Bloke who reduced Newcastle Knights centre Dean Gagai to tears by calling him a “sooky black c. t”. Not a footy fan. Western Sydney Wanderers fans who displayed a sexually explicit and offensive banner about Sydney FC coach Graham Arnold. Not footy fans. What these people are is unclear. But any suggestion that they are racist, rude, offensive, stupid footy fans is entirely incorrect. If they were footy fans they would have appreciated the multicultural traditions of Port Adelaide, based around the cultural melting pot of the Adelaide docks area, and its rich indigenous history. They would appreciate the huge contribution indigenous players have made to the club. Think of superstars such as Gavin Wanganeen, Shaun and Peter Burgoyne, Chad Wingard and young stars of the future Jake Neade and Jarman Impey. If they were footy fans they would marvel at the splendour of Betts in full flight and the fact he can do things with a football that most of us mere mortals can only dream of. If they were footy fans they would respect Goodes as a Brownlow medallist, inspirational premiership captain and Australian of the Year. If they were footy fans, they would watch the game, they would cheer for their team, analyse tactics, applaud the stars, enjoy the excitement and tension and drama. And they would leave the racial abuse and the offensive behaviour — and the swastikas — to those with some other agenda. The truth, of course, is that the vast majority of people who go to AFL, NRL, soccer and rugby games, who support teams, wear the shirts with pride, line up in front of the telly every weekend, do it without being offensive. They are footy fans. Real footy fans. Those who are moved to racially abuse players, brandish offensive banners and stain their club’s jersey with a swastika are something else. A tiny minority giving the rest of us a bad name. Never make the mistake of calling them footy fans. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/wally-mason/racism-in-sport-always-remember-theyre-not-footy-fans/news-story/d9bdc455440d67e9c4276b8082cd6e00
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:) PETER ROLFE, Sports affairs reporter, Herald Sun BEEFED-up police powers at stadiums and racetracks and a clampdown on scalpers have been proposed in a blueprint to overhaul Victorian sports and major event legislation. Police and security guards would be given new search powers, including the ability to “seize and retain’’ tickets or memberships of spectators under the State Government plan. Sweeping changes to the Major Sporting Events Act would see new ticketing offences created and the distance cops can hit feral fans with the toughest fines outside stadiums extended. In light of global terror fears, the government wants to increase security inspections at entrance gates and expand electronic screening in and outside sporting arenas such as the MCG. New “rolling event areas’’ would allow police to target fans outside venues, such as soccer fans who ignite flares while marching through city streets to A-League matches. Additional ticketing schemes would be introduced to make it an offence to resell a ticket for above face value.  The new laws will increase security inspections at entrance gates. Picture: Nathan DyerBans would apply on use of drones near stadiums. And significantly, the government wants to make the Act applicable to all major events, concerts and business conferences, not just sport. Sports Minister John Eren said the government was “working with our stakeholders to develop a blueprint that stops scalpers in their tracks, improves safety and boosts security at all major events’’. “We’re considering options to broaden the Major Events Act to give fans of all types a fairer go and bring even more events to Victoria,’’ he said. In the biggest shake-up since the Major Sporting Events Act was introduced by the Labor Government in 2009, fans could have their tickets or memberships confiscated if they are kicked out or knocked back by security at the gate. The report says expanding the Act to events other than sport would “improve Victoria’s capacity to attract other types of major events, in particular the business sector, and to compete with other jurisdictions’’.  . Crowd management provisions will be broadened under the Act to include racecourses and other venues. Picture: David CairdIt says “crowd management provisions’’ in the Act could be applied to “large cultural events” at Sidney Myer Music Bowl, Melbourne Showgrounds and “various racecourses’’. “Broadening the Act will assist police in maintaining control and order at any major event,’’ it says. The plan proposes restructuring ticketing provisions to encourage event organisers to request offences be imposed on scalpers. It could clear the way for tougher fines on scalpers and secondary ticket sellers jacking up the price of seats at concerts and AFL blockbusters, such as the Essendon-Collingwood Anzac Day clash. “The proposal will make it easier to fine scalpers who seek to purchase large numbers of tickets to popular events for the purpose of selling them at grossly inflated prices,’’ it says.  Ticket scalpers will also be targeted in the crackdown.“The proposal will include online businesses which specialise in exploiting the secondary ticketing market.’’ A discussion paper on the changes, obtained by the Herald Sun, has been sent to key stakeholders such as Victoria Police, sporting bodies, ticketing agencies and stadium chiefs. The stakeholders have been asked by government to provide feedback, offer more suggestions for change and will meet in Melbourne within weeks to discuss the overhaul. Victoria Police refused to comment on the potential new powers proposed. “As legislation is a matter for government, it would be inappropriate to provide further comment,’’ Victoria Police spokesman Thomas O’Byrne said. The Government has prioritised major event funding in the upcoming State Budget and estimates tourism generates 210,000 jobs and $21 billion to the economy annually.  A fan is checked by security before entering the MCG. Picture: David Croslinghttp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/proposed-sports-and-events-legislation-overhaul-takes-aim-at-scalpers-feral-fans/news-story/084c7cde5d5f3e7b23e77594b5357654
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The thing is.......the pictures in that article.....AFL look like a bunch of sad ass fuckers sitting down doing what the cops tell em.....and the cool, presumably from football pic, with the graffiti and the anti-establishment style "take em all" in defiance of the cop looks...well....cool.
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+xThe thing is.......the pictures in that article.....AFL look like a bunch of sad ass fuckers sitting down doing what the cops tell em.....and the cool, presumably from football pic, with the graffiti and the anti-establishment style "take em all" in defiance of the cop looks...well....cool. It didnt copy of the main pic that was a flare at the soccer. Its funny because it is an article about stopping scalpers but somehow soccer ferals are bringing global terrorism.
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I wish that c*nt would join Rebecca six feet under.
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+xI wish that c*nt would join Rebecca six feet under. Jesu cristu
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PETER ROLFE, sports affairs reporter, Herald Sun POLICE believe they have stamped out troublemakers at Melbourne soccer matches after a dramatic reduction in the amount of flares lit in and outside stadiums this season. Victoria Police figures for the A-League season show just eight flares were ignited by fans attending Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City matches. RELATED CONTENT: FLARES, INSULTS THROWN AHEAD OF GRAND FINAL FLARE LIT AFTER MELBOURNE DERBY DRAMATIC DROP IN FLARE USE PLEASES POLICE, SOCCER AUTHORITIES It comes after 118 flares, devices and explosives were ignited at Melbourne matches last year — 19 in one match alone. Police, Football Federation Australia and teams this year lobbied hard for supporters to red card flares and dob in fans who ignited them.  A flare is let off in the crowd in the wake of Marco Rojas' goal at Melbourne Victory v Melbourne City at Etihad Stadium. Picture: Stuart Walmsley. A flare is let off in the crowd at the A League derby between Melbourne Victory v Melbourne City. Picture: Stuart Walmsley.Superintendent Peter O’Neill said it appeared feral fans had heeded the message. “While police, the league, clubs and players have never supported poor crowd behaviour, we’ve seen a shift where an increasing number of supporters have stood up and made it clear that the actions of a few will not be tolerated,’’ he said. “Supporters have followed-up their words with actions by reporting anti-social or criminal behaviour to police and security, leading to offenders being charged.’’ Six flares were let off outside stadiums this season. One person was charged with throwing a flare outside Etihad Stadium, with the matter currently before the courts. Another person was convicted, fined and banned from soccer matches for two years for letting a flare off inside a stadium.  Melbourne Victory fans with a flare at Etihad Stadium. Picture: George Salpigtidis. Melbourne Victory fans release flares outside Allianz stadium in Moore Park ahead of the A League Grand Final between Sydney FC and the Melbourne Victory.About 60 people were evicted from stadiums throughout the year and “a small number’’ of fans were arrested for behavioural issues inside venues. “The vast majority of soccer fans behave in a safe, responsible manner and are simply there to enjoy a great game of sport,’’ he said. “The 2016/17 A-League season had been an improvement on previous years.’’ But, after several flares were lit at Sunday’s A-League Grand Final in Sydney, police have promised tough action if anti-social behaviour returns at Melbourne matches next season. “Unfortunately, as police see with many sporting events, a small number of attendees acted in a completely inappropriate or criminal manner this season,’’ he said. “Police will continue to have no tolerance for people who come to sporting event intending to cause trouble.”
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I find it funny that the basis of the anti-flare argument is that they're bad because they're illegal, not that they're bad in and of themselves. Who (besides journos who need to write stories for their inbred bogan dumb c*nt readership) gives a shit if someone lets off a flare in the stands?
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The full report paints him as a normal person with being a big Manchester United fan being one of his interests before his recent radicalisation after trips to Lybia but the tweet is just horrible.
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+x Is there no limit to the evil soccer fans are capable of? You just wait... they'll be blaming football for Trump soon.
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Everyone involved in the SFC Liverpool coverage.
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So called 'journalist' (I use the term loosely) Susie O'Brien and unfunny so called comedian Dave Hughes. These 2 dirty little grubs are trying to make some cash off the Australia vs Saudi match without actually mentioning any of the football played. It disgusts me that these football haters have the gall to comment and call for the Saudi team to be banned over a non-football matter when they have no interest in the sport.
Here's a hint. Don't dare try to post any criticism of them on the Herald Sun website, as that will not get published. You know the old story, the paper controls the content and only publish readers comments that agree with their narrative. Just goes to show that there is no real news in the Herald Sun, but at least its a laugh to read.
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+xSo called 'journalist' (I use the term loosely) Susie O'Brien and unfunny so called comedian Dave Hughes. These 2 dirty little grubs are trying to make some cash off the Australia vs Saudi match without actually mentioning any of the football played. It disgusts me that these football haters have the gall to comment and call for the Saudi team to be banned over a non-football matter when they have no interest in the sport. Here's a hint. Don't dare try to post any criticism of them on the Herald Sun website, as that will not get published. You know the old story, the paper controls the content and only publish readers comments that agree with their narrative. Just goes to show that there is no real news in the Herald Sun, but at least its a laugh to read. Are you seriously suggesting that the media is wrong in covering the story of the Saudi team showing disrespect during a minute's silence?
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+x+xSo called 'journalist' (I use the term loosely) Susie O'Brien and unfunny so called comedian Dave Hughes. These 2 dirty little grubs are trying to make some cash off the Australia vs Saudi match without actually mentioning any of the football played. It disgusts me that these football haters have the gall to comment and call for the Saudi team to be banned over a non-football matter when they have no interest in the sport. Here's a hint. Don't dare try to post any criticism of them on the Herald Sun website, as that will not get published. You know the old story, the paper controls the content and only publish readers comments that agree with their narrative. Just goes to show that there is no real news in the Herald Sun, but at least its a laugh to read. Are you seriously suggesting that the media is wrong in covering the story of the Saudi team showing disrespect during a minute's silence? So she wrote an article about the Canberra game in the Asian Cup when Iran and Iraq or when Australia played China and it was the biggest rating TV event in China ever... or when Australian played Japan and it was the most watched Football match in Asia .. I understand where she is coming from but at the core of most arguments is Football.. does she excuse our game at all .... no the manner of the article indicates Football provides the opportunity to do such things... Its the total lack of balance
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You can add Peta Credlin to the list. Another football hater with a government background. Gee, maybe now I'm starting to see why football has been so massively underfunded when compared to other sports.
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@ pippinu
Let me cut down your comment to "Are you seriously suggesting that the media is wrong" .... the answer is yes, the media is wrong when it comes to football. It is biased and agenda driven bollocks with more than enough proof in recent weeks that this bias is as strong as ever. So please don't defend these dickheads, they merely see it as a chance to tar football with their usual brush ...
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Perhaps a frenemy- It's about time Australian football got its priorities right We might as well just give up and admit it: Australia is not a football country and it probably will never be. http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2017/06/12/its-about-time-australian-football-got-its-priorities-right
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I reckon we are a football nation. The thing is, we are also unique (Yes, we are) in the challenges we face. We have 3 other competitor football codes, and one other 'national' sport in summer when we playing our league matches. We have a history of an aggressive anti-football media who have recently made further investments in our competitor sports, and a strong undercurrent of racism within society that manifests itself easily in the criticism of the 'foreign' game of football. Despite all this, we have a professional national league, semi-pro state leagues, a national team that is a continental champion and good grassroots participation numbers. Yes, we have a lot of problems and yes we need more from FFA, but we are a football nation and the sport will only continue to grow here if we keep embracing that and shouting it from the rooftops. It's a fact that now that all of our sports are professional, there's a fight for sponsorship and fan dollars and and it's a code war out there at the moment and the other sports are doing all they can to keep us down.
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Just read the article. My god, SBS has really gone downhill.
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I agree with this: It is a major concern - almost embarrassing - that more Australian fans would pay to watch visiting teams in a friendly than their own national team in a crucial FIFA World Cup qualifier. Real football countries do not do this: fans put their own team's interests first and care very little about the rest of the world.
Only in tin pot countries do more turn up to watch two foreign countries play a friendly than their own national team in a crucial WC qualifier (three times as many!) I've always viewed these sorts of matches as a bit of an embarassment.
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+xI agree with this: It is a major concern - almost embarrassing - that more Australian fans would pay to watch visiting teams in a friendly than their own national team in a crucial FIFA World Cup qualifier. Real football countries do not do this: fans put their own team's interests first and care very little about the rest of the world.
Only in tin pot countries do more turn up to watch two foreign countries play a friendly than their own national team in a crucial WC qualifier (three times as many!) I've always viewed these sorts of matches as a bit of an embarassment. This wasn't just "visiting teams in a friendly". It was Leo Messi, one of the best players of all time in his prime, here for the first time since 2007. I'd pay to see that. I must applaud you though for using another football game to do your intentionally negative comparative analysis shtick. We all know you don't actually care about AFL and only use it in comparisons to rile everybody up.
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+x+xI agree with this: It is a major concern - almost embarrassing - that more Australian fans would pay to watch visiting teams in a friendly than their own national team in a crucial FIFA World Cup qualifier. Real football countries do not do this: fans put their own team's interests first and care very little about the rest of the world.
Only in tin pot countries do more turn up to watch two foreign countries play a friendly than their own national team in a crucial WC qualifier (three times as many!) I've always viewed these sorts of matches as a bit of an embarassment. This wasn't just "visiting teams in a friendly". It was Leo Messi, one of the best players of all time in his prime, here for the first time since 2007. I'd pay to see that. Pretty much this. Frankly ignoring the blindingly obvious simply outs Micallef as a shrill looking for a sensationalist headline. Not a single mention of Messi despite the obvious fact he was the number one reason behind the massive turnout.
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+x+x+xI agree with this: It is a major concern - almost embarrassing - that more Australian fans would pay to watch visiting teams in a friendly than their own national team in a crucial FIFA World Cup qualifier. Real football countries do not do this: fans put their own team's interests first and care very little about the rest of the world.
Only in tin pot countries do more turn up to watch two foreign countries play a friendly than their own national team in a crucial WC qualifier (three times as many!) I've always viewed these sorts of matches as a bit of an embarassment. This wasn't just "visiting teams in a friendly". It was Leo Messi, one of the best players of all time in his prime, here for the first time since 2007. I'd pay to see that. Pretty much this. Frankly ignoring the blindingly obvious simply outs Micallef as a shrill looking for a sensationalist headline. Not a single mention of Messi despite the obvious fact he was the number one reason behind the massive turnout. Like when 50.000 turned up at the G to see Paolo Rossi back in 83-84 (with the main difference being that Rossi was a pretty ordinary footballer).
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+xI agree with this: It is a major concern - almost embarrassing - that more Australian fans would pay to watch visiting teams in a friendly than their own national team in a crucial FIFA World Cup qualifier. Real football countries do not do this: fans put their own team's interests first and care very little about the rest of the world.
Only in tin pot countries do more turn up to watch two foreign countries play a friendly than their own national team in a crucial WC qualifier (three times as many!) I've always viewed these sorts of matches as a bit of an embarassment. Willfully ignoring context. One is a perhaps once in a lifetime to see the top two countries with perhaps some of the best players ever who have a massive rivalry play in our backyard. The other is a practice match before the Confederations Cup. Apples and oranges. As for the "tin pot countries" shill, here's an awkward truth: Brazil and Argentina also sold out 60k seat Emirates in 2006, while days before the English national team only drew 45k with almost half the capacity of Old Trafford left empty. Apples and apples. Very fitting to be addressing your concern trolling in this thread though, pips.
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The funny thing is, we are one of the few countries where Brazil and Argentina have played each other in a non tournament environment (and have now done it twice). This suggests we are, indeed, a significant football country as 2 of the top 5 footballing nations chose to play each other here, knowing it would be a success.
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We're a tinpot country when agenda-driven media compare football to football and decide one is a success and one a failure lol.
The Socceroos are averaging around 30k at home lately, from memory recent crowds have been something along the lines of 30k, 28k, 19k, 33k and 31k .... all of those would be acceptable at any test match bar Boxing Day, it exceeds all bar the All Blacks visiting in Rugby (which are played on a weekend as well), and it exceeds NRL internationals as well. So where is the problem??
Do SBS write articles comparing BBL attendances to the pathetic Sheffield Shield crowds? Thought not ...
The truth is we ARE a football country because 95,000 people turned out last week for two foreign teams, and because the Socceroos average 30k playing midweek which many codes would kill for, and because the A league attracts 1.7 million to a competition half the size of our competitors, and because people love to play our game, adults and kids alike.
The reason we have a thread with the title this one has, is because the media is full of dickhesfs who have no ability to analyse and reason or present a balanced view.
Best just add SBS to the list. I think this will be the first of many
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+xWe're a tinpot country when agenda-driven media compare football to football and decide one is a success and one a failure lol. The Socceroos are averaging around 30k at home lately, from memory recent crowds have been something along the lines of 30k, 28k, 19k, 33k and 31k .... all of those would be acceptable at any test match bar Boxing Day, it exceeds all bar the All Blacks visiting in Rugby (which are played on a weekend as well), and it exceeds NRL internationals as well. So where is the problem?? Do SBS write articles comparing BBL attendances to the pathetic Sheffield Shield crowds? Thought not ... The truth is we ARE a football country because 95,000 people turned out last week for two foreign teams, and because the Socceroos average 30k playing midweek which many codes would kill for, and because the A league attracts 1.7 million to a competition half the size of our competitors, and because people love to play our game, adults and kids alike. The reason we have a thread with the title this one has, is because the media is full of dickhesfs who have no ability to analyse and reason or present a balanced view. Best just add SBS to the list. I think this will be the first of many Nail....hammer.....slammed together with this post
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+xWe're a tinpot country when agenda-driven media compare football to football and decide one is a success and one a failure lol. The Socceroos are averaging around 30k at home lately, from memory recent crowds have been something along the lines of 30k, 28k, 19k, 33k and 31k .... all of those would be acceptable at any test match bar Boxing Day, it exceeds all bar the All Blacks visiting in Rugby (which are played on a weekend as well), and it exceeds NRL internationals as well. So where is the problem?? Do SBS write articles comparing BBL attendances to the pathetic Sheffield Shield crowds? Thought not ... The truth is we ARE a football country because 95,000 people turned out last week for two foreign teams, and because the Socceroos average 30k playing midweek which many codes would kill for, and because the A league attracts 1.7 million to a competition half the size of our competitors, and because people love to play our game, adults and kids alike. The reason we have a thread with the title this one has, is because the media is full of dickhesfs who have no ability to analyse and reason or present a balanced view. Best just add SBS to the list. I think this will be the first of many Waz You will recall around Hal 5 maybe 6... SBS has been so anti Hal ... Bozza wrote an article called the enemy from within or similar title we all knew who he was talking about. I honestly can't recall a positive FFA article from SBS in two to three years ...
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SBS will contain some interesting reading if Southern Expansion doesn't get in.
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Well, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me.
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+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. when you write senior football writer I dont even know which sport you mean.
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+x+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. when you write senior football writer I dont even know which sport you mean. The "great game of soccer" I presume.
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+x+x+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. when you write senior football writer I dont even know which sport you mean. The "great game of soccer" I presume. There is only one true football.
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+x+x+x+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. when you write senior football writer I dont even know which sport you mean. The "great game of soccer" I presume. There is only one true football. when you write senior football writer this I dont even know which sport you mean
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+x+x+x+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. when you write senior football writer I dont even know which sport you mean. The "great game of soccer" I presume. There is only one true football. Going by your posts I still haven't the faintest idea if you're talking about football or AFL
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+x+x+x+x+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. when you write senior football writer I dont even know which sport you mean. The "great game of soccer" I presume. There is only one true football. Going by your posts I still haven't the faintest idea if you're talking about football or AFL Ha Ha ha +1
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+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. Its could be agenda driven. As clear as it is seen here on the forums too.
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+xWell, it would appear the most senior football writer in the country agrees with me. you confused brisbane v gold coast in bali... so it suits your agenda as well
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@boh
This is why when Pala or Joffa make a new tv 17/18 thread, which may be possible from July 1 or even today, it should state 11 aside.
He trolls and justifies it by thinking "it says Australian football ratings so I can write about footy."
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+x@bohThis is why when Pala or Joffa make a new tv 17/18 thread, which may be possible from July 1 or even today, it should state 11 aside.He trolls and justifies it by thinking "it says Australian football ratings so I can write about footy." No, he's a tad cleverer than that. He waits for somebody else to mention AFL in a comparison first. That way he can say he didn't start it.
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+x+x@bohThis is why when Pala or Joffa make a new tv 17/18 thread, which may be possible from July 1 or even today, it should state 11 aside.He trolls and justifies it by thinking "it says Australian football ratings so I can write about footy." No, he's a tad cleverer than that. He waits for somebody else to mention AFL in a comparison first. That way he can say he didn't start it. Doesnt he just wait until the footy season starts then posts ratings from A-League and football matches the same day as AFL? then writes stuff about Peppa Pig? Sure, he didnt produce the ratings....
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 Fool me twice? Sure, let's bid for the Women's World Cup in 2023Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.  Really? Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull at the announcement in Canberra of the 2023 bid for the Women's World Cup in Australia. Photo: Andrew MearesFool me both times using taxpayers' money and I reckon you have a political embarrassment in the making. I refer, of course, to the announcement by the Turnbull government on Tuesday that Australia is not only going to bid to host the 2023 Women's World Cup of Soccer, but that the government will put up as much as $5 million towards it and ... And yes, I know. You are recalling what happened last time the government backed such a proposal, putting no less than $45 million to try and host the 2022 World Cup. You're recalling that all Australia got for its trouble was complete humiliation and only so many votes as you could count on the fingers of one finger! You're remembering that instead of us, the bloody thing went to Qatar, one of the hottest countries on earth, with no large population to provide fans, no developed infrastructure to host games or soccer fans from other countries, and no politically stable environment. A terrific piece in the Herald at the time – and as a matter of fact I wrote it – called it "the most obviously corrupt sporting decision of all-time". And now, just half a decade later, we are going back to FIFA, asking them if they will play nice this time, and consider our proposal on its merits, not on who greases whose palm for votes? Sports Minister Greg Hunt, apparently, is convinced they're all honest now, and I am not making that up! "I am satisfied on the advice we've had [FIFA is clean]," he said. Really, Minister? Advice from whom? FIFA themselves? Or someone else? Can you tell us? Did you talk, perchance, to new FIFA president Gianni Infantino, who last year sacked his ethics team, and not in a good way. Or did you talk perchance to FIFA's £1million-a-year general secretary, Fatma Samoura, the woman who the Guardian reported a fortnight ago, was "in charge of FIFA's internal austerity, and found by auditors to be spending £22,000 of FIFA's money on having her home cleaned five-times a week. Fifa says Samoura repaid the sum, "when she discovered the issue". Or did you even talk to Australia's own, admirable, Moya Dodd, who was on FIFA's council until recently, when she was replaced by a woman who couldn't even name the current women's world champions! Does any of that sound to you like FIFA is now running a clean operation? Minister, please. Prime Minister, you're kidding. This is a nonsense, and an obvious waste of money. This is not an attack on the worth or otherwise of women's soccer. This year, particularly, will be remembered as the one where women's sport in Australia leapt forward in leaps and bounds, as so many other sports try to catch up to the hugely successful AFL women's comp. By all means spend that money on Australian women's sport. Double it, triple it, quadruple it. There'll be no complaints from anyone, and it will be money well spent. But put it into grassroots development where there is a guaranteed return to the citizenry, and best of all to the junior female citizenry. Putting it towards persuading the virtueless FIFA as to our own virtues, is a hopeless, embarrassing, waste of time – and taxpayers' money. Or did I mention that? @Peter_Fitz
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Ah Fitzy, you gotta love him.
What a great line: A terrific piece in the Herald at the time – and as a matter of fact I wrote it – called it "the most obviously corrupt sporting decision of all-time".
Terrific stuff.
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Not only is football besieged by many enemies, far too many to count, I note that this morning on the Roar, Spiro Zavos has written about rugby's enemies.
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An interesting prespective. We may all need to rethink the use of peppa pig as our yardstick.
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Im putting Cr Jolly on the list, not that this person is confirmed an enemy but they did you the "just a couple of Aussie larrikins" line Ryan Tennison, Herald Sun THREE men in their 20s have been chargedafter streaking at a community football game in Melbourne. Victoria Police spokeswoman Anita Brens said four people ran on to the field naked at the Sunday Community Cup event at Victoria Park on Sunday. “Police and security ... are making inquires as to the identity of the fourth (man),” she said. “Those arrested will receive penalty notices.”  One of the men takes a naked swig of beer while streaking at a footy game on Sunday. Picture: SuppliedVictoria Police spokesman Sergeant Adam West said the men were charged with indecent and obscene behaviour, which carries a $626 fine. Mr West said the men would receive a penalty notice. Socialist Yarra councillor Stephen Jolly said the charges were “over the top” and “a sensible approach” was needed. “It was just a few people having a bit of fun and now their lives could potentially be ruined,” Cr Jolly said. John Ballis, chief executive of Reclink, which runs the Community Cup, said the quartet’s actions were not acceptable. “Under no circumstances would we condone streaking at any Reclink event, which includes the Community Cup,” he said. Drawing more than 10,000 people each year, the Community Cup hosts a football match as well as a rock and roll concert that raises money for charities and community sport.
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+xIm putting Cr Jolly on the list, not that this person is confirmed an enemy but they did you the "just a couple of Aussie larrikins" line Ryan Tennison, Herald Sun THREE men in their 20s have been chargedafter streaking at a community football game in Melbourne. Victoria Police spokeswoman Anita Brens said four people ran on to the field naked at the Sunday Community Cup event at Victoria Park on Sunday. “Police and security ... are making inquires as to the identity of the fourth (man),” she said. “Those arrested will receive penalty notices.” One of the men takes a naked swig of beer while streaking at a footy game on Sunday. Picture: SuppliedVictoria Police spokesman Sergeant Adam West said the men were charged with indecent and obscene behaviour, which carries a $626 fine. Mr West said the men would receive a penalty notice. Socialist Yarra councillor Stephen Jolly said the charges were “over the top” and “a sensible approach” was needed. “It was just a few people having a bit of fun and now their lives could potentially be ruined,” Cr Jolly said. John Ballis, chief executive of Reclink, which runs the Community Cup, said the quartet’s actions were not acceptable. “Under no circumstances would we condone streaking at any Reclink event, which includes the Community Cup,” he said. Drawing more than 10,000 people each year, the Community Cup hosts a football match as well as a rock and roll concert that raises money for charities and community sport.
Victoria Park streakers: Men charged after Community Cup event incident | Herald Sun how is this relevant to this thread?
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I wrote my reckoning before the article.
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Just not Aussie rules' ABC Grandstand commentator Gerard Whateley described the incident as "extraordinarily rare". "I can't recall being at an AFL game where that's happened before," he said. "Whenever it happens in the round-ball code there's huge pressure on the club involved and on the governing body to make a stand. "It's especially dangerous if you do see the set-up [of the standing area] where people are crowded shoulder-to-shoulder." Jameson agreed with Whateley's assessment, saying it was "just not Aussie rules". Flares have been associated with poor crowd behaviour at A-League matches, with Football Federation Australia taking extra steps to get rid of them from the game. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-22/flare-let-off-adelaide-oval-raises-security-screening-concern/8733904?pfmredir=sm
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+xJust not Aussie rules'ABC Grandstand commentator Gerard Whateley described the incident as "extraordinarily rare"."I can't recall being at an AFL game where that's happened before," he said."Whenever it happens in the round-ball code there's huge pressure on the club involved and on the governing body to make a stand."It's especially dangerous if you do see the set-up [of the standing area] where people are crowded shoulder-to-shoulder."Jameson agreed with Whateley's assessment, saying it was "just not Aussie rules".Flares have been associated with poor crowd behaviour at A-League matches, with Football Federation Australia taking extra steps to get rid of them from the game. http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-22/flare-let-off-adelaide-oval-raises-security-screening-concern/8733904?pfmredir=sm Not as rare as Whately thinks... there have been flares at SANFL matches, especially Central Districts, in recent years.
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Just because people said stuff about the soccer doesn't mean people need to put it into articles.
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+xJust because people said stuff about the soccer doesn't mean people need to put it into articles. The hypocrisy of the mainstream media in Australia.. Any crowd issues / flares etc a A league games... It's typical soccer fans and is part of the games culture.. Racism , fights , bananas , flares , sex scandals at AFL.... No its not the game , its modern society and in the case of the flares, its now a security ground issue... WTF ???
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+x+xJust because people said stuff about the soccer doesn't mean people need to put it into articles. The hypocrisy of the mainstream media in Australia.. Any crowd issues / flares etc a A league games... It's typical soccer fans and is part of the games culture.. Racism , fights , bananas , flares , sex scandals at AFL.... No its not the game , its modern society and in the case of the flares, its now a security ground issue... WTF ??? Only in AFL states. not in the NRL dominant states.
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Offsiders on the ABC has not talked in anyway about Football in the last four weeks... even with the two Arsenal games drawing over 160K in four days they did not mention them.
They talk up women's [sorry netball and cricket] sport but never mention the Matilda's V Brazil ...
Since they coped in it the neck over how they farked up the Liverpool game they say very little now...
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+xOffsiders on the ABC has not talked in anyway about Football in the last four weeks... even with the two Arsenal games drawing over 160K in four days they did not mention them. They talk up women's [sorry netball and cricket] sport but never mention the Matilda's V Brazil ... Since they coped in it the neck over how they farked up the Liverpool game they say very little now... Is there anyone under 50 who'd watch that program ?
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Offsiders has always been run by Aussie Rules stooges. Football and RL/RU stories are always ignored or barely touched on as those are the sports AFL followers are most afraid of.
Unless of course it's a negative story in which case they spend half the show talking about how it'd never happen in their game...
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+xOffsiders has always been run by Aussie Rules stooges. Football and RL/RU stories are always ignored or barely touched on as those are the sports AFL followers are most afraid of. Unless of course it's a negative story in which case they spend half the show talking about how it'd never happen in their game... i disagree. they often give football a bit of a run. they get ange on the show.
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Ange is literally a regular on the show.
Are we surprised that Offsiders are talking less about football now that the football season has ended?
Do tennis fans cry when the tennis content dips after the Aus Open?
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Who was the last Australian Prime Minister to attend a Socceroo's game? They all claim to be fans of AFL or rugby clubs.
Gough Whitlam attended the Australia vs Uruguay match in 1974.
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I remember seeing Howard at multiple Socceroos and A-League games.
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+xWho was the last Australian Prime Minister to attend a Socceroo's game? They all claim to be fans of AFL or rugby clubs. Gough Whitlam attended the Australia vs Uruguay match in 1974. politicians in general dont care about sport, theyre only there for the optics
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+x+xWho was the last Australian Prime Minister to attend a Socceroo's game? They all claim to be fans of AFL or rugby clubs. Gough Whitlam attended the Australia vs Uruguay match in 1974. politicians in general dont care about sport, theyre only there for the optics Even thought they don't really care about sport, they still go through the farce of pretending to be a Carlton supporter, or whatever. They must be desperate to win votes in Victoria.
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+xWho was the last Australian Prime Minister to attend a Socceroo's game? They all claim to be fans of AFL or rugby clubs. Gough Whitlam attended the Australia vs Uruguay match in 1974. Abbott was at the opener of the Asian Cup in Melbourne.
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Add David Koch to the list ( if he already isnt on there )
complete @#!@!wit today , saying the Adelaide oval security staff & police did a wonderful job. Doesnt want to turn the game into english soccer hooligans ....
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+xAdd David Koch to the list ( if he already isnt on there ) complete @#!@!wit today , saying the Adelaide oval security staff & police did a wonderful job. Doesnt want to turn the game into english soccer hooligans .... But, but he invented China.
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+xAdd David Koch to the list ( if he already isnt on there ) complete @#!@!wit today , saying the Adelaide oval security staff & police did a wonderful job. Doesnt want to turn the game into english soccer hooligans .... well technically that's not an attack in Australian football
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+x+xAdd David Koch to the list ( if he already isnt on there ) complete @#!@!wit today , saying the Adelaide oval security staff & police did a wonderful job. Doesnt want to turn the game into english soccer hooligans .... well technically that's not an attack in Australian football and in the next sentence he mentioned soccer hooligans in the eastern states..
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Add Gallop and Buckley. Add to it the genius who thought up NCIP.
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I find it frustrating that an organisation like the FFA is meant to serve everyone involved in the game but instead are more focused on getting things done only for the select few at the top of that organisation. No one else's opinion matters.
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Cant help but put the boot in against the Socceroos and wog ball comment. He is anti wog ball therefor I consider it an insult. Make of the other comparisions as you will. A day that started with a punch and ended in heart breakSome sort of day. It punched you from early morning to supper. Jabs, body blows, hay makers to knock you sad and silly. There was no corner to catch a breath, no white towel to hurl in the air. The great Karrie Webb lost the Scottish Open by a shot after a pot bunker on the 17th hole devoured her ball like the Cookie Monster. Australia’s greatest golfer double-bogeyed and a birdie on the last still left her a shot short of a share of the lead. She had played more than 70 tournaments since her last victory. That was before breakfast. Over coffee and a piece of toast the Matildas walloped Japan 4-2. The previous match in the Tournament of Nations was the historic win over the United States. Against Japan Sam Kerr scored three goals. Only her acrobatics across the pitch afterwards threatened to steal the moment from her hat-trick. It was exciting just to see Australia play with a skill and a flair that seemed to take the men’s teams decades to learn and embrace. As Kerr tumbled and rolled you were thrilled for her and the game’s progression. It wouldn’t last. Not on a day like yesterday. Soon you were on your knees, mentally if not physically. A killer punch from nowhere had thudded into your heart. Les Murray was dead. You might not have spoken to Murray. Not written to him. Not shaken his hand. But you knew him. Knew him well. He was 71, and with Johnny Warren who died in 2004, they were the unlikely double act that fought to make football accessible to suspicious Australians after World War II. That it was a tough assignment is realised in the title of Warren’s book published two years before he died. In part, it read: “Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters …” It didn’t seem possible to land on the television station SBS without Murray’s face appearing. To a nation wary of funny sounding names playing a game without outrageous body contact, Murray could but chip away, then chip some more. That club football and any incarnation of a national league were mostly chaotic never dulled Murray’s enthusiasm. Australia first made the World Cup finals in 1974 when a team of football labourers had no skills to hurt both East and West Germany. These were wins for football’s architects. A draw with Chile gave Australia some comfort and respect. It was after Warren died that his preaching found its reward and Murray was there to record and analyse it. Australia made the finals in 2006, 2010 and then 2014. Australia are well placed to reach the finals in Russia next year. Last year Murray told The Guardian: “I started on this mad mission to convert Australians to football in the schoolyard. That’s where it started, not when I became a broadcaster, that was just a continuation of it.” If Murray, a foundation stone of Australian football was gone, then we very soon found out an AFL superstar was going. Not to the great interchange bench in the sky but to some peace and a lot less bruising at least. Nick Riewoldt was retiring at the end of the year. He has been no ordinary player. “I couldn’t be more convinced that the time is right to retire and step aside,” Riewoldt said at an afternoon news conference. I’m really proud that I’m doing so with a litre or two of petrol left in the tank rather than being run out on the side of the road with a foot up, begging for help.” If Murray was a constant on SBS then Riewoldt and St Kilda have been inseparable for 17 years. And for 17 years Riewoldt has delivered a remarkable standard of football. Six best and fairests, five All-Australian selections and he is on schedule to finish his career on 337 games. He will be remembered for many things. He was so fit he considered the territory of a centre half-forward included the goal square and the half-back line. Wherever he ran he was a dominating presence as though the ball had been paired to his hands. A champion? Yes, and in any era. Not everybody leaves an indelible mark but Riewoldt did. In 2004 at the SCG he took the greatest mark many of us have ever seen. He sprinted back into play towards a gathering group of players and took a mark on his chest. That is it at its skimpiest. As you saw the play unfold it was apparent Riewoldt had committed himself to the mark but also what would more than likely be catastrophic injury since he was running hard the wrong way into a traffic snarl. Deep inside, self-preservation must have set off an alarm but somehow his courage was so intense, and had so flooded his brain, that he over-rode it. And thus a lifetime memory was captured. Gone, too, is Paddy Dangerfield, suspended for one match for his illegal tackle on Carlton ruckman Matthew Kreuzer. The Geelong Brownlow medallist may yet appeal the decision but he did clamp the arms of Kreuzer and dump his head into the turf. Kreuzer could not carry on because of concussion. Clearly now the tribunal has adopted the spirit of the bumping rule. That is, if you choose to bump then you are automatically responsible for any head trauma. Now it is applied to tackling. Wrap a player’s arms in a tackle which leaves him vulnerable then you must accept responsibility for any head injury. Fair enough, too, though it is unfortunate for football. If the suspension survives a possible Dangerfield appeal he will be ineligible to win a second consecutive Brownlow Medal. The argument then will be whether the action deserves such a heavy consequence. That is how the day ended. Kreuzer was not the only one left concussed. Murray will correctly have a grand send off. And he left us with the knowledge that his preaching the virtue of wog ball in the schoolyard after arriving from Hungary began a climb, slow and clumsy as it was at times, to world recognition. The beautiful game has had few better servants — anywhere and at any time.
A day that started with a punch and ended in heart break
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The Daily Telegraph MELBOURNE Storm wrapped up another minor premiership on Saturday night to confirm their ranking as Australia’s most successful football club in any code over the past 15 years. Better than the Brisbane Broncos, Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney Swans, Sydney FC or any of the rugby teams.
Melbourne Storm NRL: Inside Australia’s most successful sporting club | Daily Telegraph
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Apologies if this bloke has been nominated before... Lyle Shelton who rejoices in the title of "Managing Director" of something called the "Australian Christian Lobby" (ACL). Apart from confirming that he is a warrior for Christ, his Twitter account bio affirms "Soccer is not football". Also that he is from Queensland. Which may explain a few things. Shelton is implacably opposed to, among many things, marriage equality. I was considering boycotting the mooted ABS opinion poll on this topic as I don't understand why anyone should clamour to enter into a contract to live together with another person that is hard to extricate yourself from should circumstances change. However, the four words Shelton uses have convinced me I should participate on the affirmative side. Funnily enough Bernard Keane who is nominated on the first page of this thread is a big online critic of Shelton's but at least they have found common cause on one thing.
Its a game for everyone. Its not pale, male, or stale. It transcends race, gender, economic status. Its for everyone. - Tal Karp
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Australian culture at its best.
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+xAustralian culture at its best. 'The crowd became bored with how easy it was to score a goal' is definitely a highlight hahaha quality
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The pirate is back - Who can challenge Tim Cahill?Well done, Tim Cahill, for saving the day against Syria and nailing the two crucial goals that Australia needed to stay alive in the World Cup qualifications. But why, once again, does Australia have to rely on a bloke nudging 40 – he'll be 38 in December – to get the job done? Where are the young, hungry generations rising up, to push him out? It would be exactly like the Wallabies still relying on Phil Waugh to get the job done, because no Michael Hooper or David Pocock had come along, to move him along! Wasn't the A-League meant to provide the perfect nursery to produce champions? Or is it that, with the A-League, the Cahills, Kewells, Bosnichs et al, no longer have to leave Australia to go after riches and glory – and thus getting experience in the really big leagues – meaning that our cream is not nearly as creamy as it once was. I note the Olyroos haven't made it to the last two Olympics, and while the under-17 World Cup is happening right now, we don't have a team there. What is going on? (And if as a soccer person, you say I have no clue, I say, "Thanks, Scoop. So give us the John Dory! What is going on?")
Peter Fitzsimons: Knuckle-dragging treatment of women deserves serious punishment from AFL
I agree with some of his crap but he just comes across as a bully who wants Australia to fail.
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The cracks of Ange WhingecoglouAnge Postecoglou is like that object you see ahead of you in the sand, still wet and glistening in the sun. It could be anything, broken and battered by the waves, but it could also be everything exciting. The closer you get to this mysterious object the more chips and cracks you see in what once would have been a cherished shell. Possibly priceless. Then you see it in bright light and clear water. That’s Ange Whingecoglou. Once thought to be a proud and mighty coach. A man with a vision but better still a methodology that would sweep not just the Socceroos to world glory but drag the rest of the nation’s players, clubs and leagues with him. Football would stride across Australia on its way to taking over the world. Hear him speak and he got to you. You could see his plans and tactics were more than a dream but could become reality. If anybody was going to make football and Australia click as one, it was Ange. Because early on, he was loved. He was Ange. And Ange was Australian soccer. He got Australia to Brazil in 2014 where a final group 3-0 loss to Spain was not a fair reflection of a fighting Australian effort. In Ange it seemed we had the answer. Four years later we have two critical matches against Honduras before we can even squeeze our way into the World Cup finals in Russia next year. Australian soccer has slipped — from a proud effort in Brazil to, at best, slipping in the back window to Russia. Rightly the Socceroos efforts have drawn criticism. The new formation with three at the back has few supporters. Team selections have been hammered and public interviews sometimes seem the results of a man determined to have a public breakdown. Just to really prove his point. He maintains the most childish position of not clarifying whether he will continue on to Russia with the team if they defeat Honduras. It seems the most fundamental question which demands a full and honest answer. After all he is the national coach. But he defers. “It’s yeah, I know ... you know what? It’s a kind of facetious question because people just want me to fit into their stereotype and answer it in a way that makes them feel really good about themselves. “If people are really worried about my future they should be worried about these two games, but they’re not, they just want an answer to a question and I’m not going to give ’em it,” said Ange. To walk away from the team as it could be preparing for the next World Cup draws images of a child walking away with his ball after being called a sook. His answer to the ABC questioner makes no sense. It is a jumble of thoughts and fears and defensive strategies for imagined plots. Facetious question? In what sense? It can’t be glib or flippant. Ange has not publicly committed to the World Cup. Nothing superficial about that. There is every reason to ask the question because it is Ange who is making all manner of things difficult. When the story was broken that he would not continue with the team if it reached Russia he needed to firstly say whether it was right or wrong, and secondly give a full explanation. He hasn’t done that; the FFA hasn’t done that. The players and the public are left in the dark so Whingecoglou can pout and scowl. Postecoglou began as coach of Australia with the full and warm support of Australians. With smiles and a bit of humour he won over the curious but unconvinced. He was seen by everyone to be the man to carry the nation forward to world soccer prominence. No one knows where that man has gone. Missing persons have been alerted. Because he certainly isn’t the glum, grim and griping sad sack that fronts media conferences these days. It looks on television that it would be more fun to saw your leg off than attend a Whingecoglou monologue. Like this: “I don’t care,” he said. “I love robust discussion about tactics but if I think something’s stupid, I’ll say it’s stupid. I want you to criticise absolutely, I want you to talk about it but that doesn’t mean that I’ll blindly follow what you say.” That little bit of Ange philosophy needs deconstruction. It means: “I get very cross with any criticism. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Criticise me by all means but I will never, never, never speak to you again. I used to really like all of you when you liked me. Now, you are just awful, awful, awful.” The Mighty Ange cannot take criticism. Not a dollop of it. Imagine how he would go as an AFL coach. He would unravel so frequently the club would have to appoint a personal raveller to bind poor Ange together again. He is the shell of his former self.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/the-cracks-of-ange-whingecoglou/news-story/f1bc787737e96711f744eda029954bc1
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+xThe cracks of Ange WhingecoglouAnge Postecoglou is like that object you see ahead of you in the sand, still wet and glistening in the sun. It could be anything, broken and battered by the waves, but it could also be everything exciting. The closer you get to this mysterious object the more chips and cracks you see in what once would have been a cherished shell. Possibly priceless. Then you see it in bright light and clear water. That’s Ange Whingecoglou. Once thought to be a proud and mighty coach. A man with a vision but better still a methodology that would sweep not just the Socceroos to world glory but drag the rest of the nation’s players, clubs and leagues with him. Football would stride across Australia on its way to taking over the world. Hear him speak and he got to you. You could see his plans and tactics were more than a dream but could become reality. If anybody was going to make football and Australia click as one, it was Ange. Because early on, he was loved. He was Ange. And Ange was Australian soccer. He got Australia to Brazil in 2014 where a final group 3-0 loss to Spain was not a fair reflection of a fighting Australian effort. In Ange it seemed we had the answer. Four years later we have two critical matches against Honduras before we can even squeeze our way into the World Cup finals in Russia next year. Australian soccer has slipped — from a proud effort in Brazil to, at best, slipping in the back window to Russia. Rightly the Socceroos efforts have drawn criticism. The new formation with three at the back has few supporters. Team selections have been hammered and public interviews sometimes seem the results of a man determined to have a public breakdown. Just to really prove his point. He maintains the most childish position of not clarifying whether he will continue on to Russia with the team if they defeat Honduras. It seems the most fundamental question which demands a full and honest answer. After all he is the national coach. But he defers. “It’s yeah, I know ... you know what? It’s a kind of facetious question because people just want me to fit into their stereotype and answer it in a way that makes them feel really good about themselves. “If people are really worried about my future they should be worried about these two games, but they’re not, they just want an answer to a question and I’m not going to give ’em it,” said Ange. To walk away from the team as it could be preparing for the next World Cup draws images of a child walking away with his ball after being called a sook. His answer to the ABC questioner makes no sense. It is a jumble of thoughts and fears and defensive strategies for imagined plots. Facetious question? In what sense? It can’t be glib or flippant. Ange has not publicly committed to the World Cup. Nothing superficial about that. There is every reason to ask the question because it is Ange who is making all manner of things difficult. When the story was broken that he would not continue with the team if it reached Russia he needed to firstly say whether it was right or wrong, and secondly give a full explanation. He hasn’t done that; the FFA hasn’t done that. The players and the public are left in the dark so Whingecoglou can pout and scowl. Postecoglou began as coach of Australia with the full and warm support of Australians. With smiles and a bit of humour he won over the curious but unconvinced. He was seen by everyone to be the man to carry the nation forward to world soccer prominence. No one knows where that man has gone. Missing persons have been alerted. Because he certainly isn’t the glum, grim and griping sad sack that fronts media conferences these days. It looks on television that it would be more fun to saw your leg off than attend a Whingecoglou monologue. Like this: “I don’t care,” he said. “I love robust discussion about tactics but if I think something’s stupid, I’ll say it’s stupid. I want you to criticise absolutely, I want you to talk about it but that doesn’t mean that I’ll blindly follow what you say.” That little bit of Ange philosophy needs deconstruction. It means: “I get very cross with any criticism. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Criticise me by all means but I will never, never, never speak to you again. I used to really like all of you when you liked me. Now, you are just awful, awful, awful.” The Mighty Ange cannot take criticism. Not a dollop of it. Imagine how he would go as an AFL coach. He would unravel so frequently the club would have to appoint a personal raveller to bind poor Ange together again. He is the shell of his former self.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/the-cracks-of-ange-whingecoglou/news-story/f1bc787737e96711f744eda029954bc1
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+x+xThe cracks of Ange WhingecoglouAnge Postecoglou is like that object you see ahead of you in the sand, still wet and glistening in the sun. It could be anything, broken and battered by the waves, but it could also be everything exciting. The closer you get to this mysterious object the more chips and cracks you see in what once would have been a cherished shell. Possibly priceless. Then you see it in bright light and clear water. That’s Ange Whingecoglou. Once thought to be a proud and mighty coach. A man with a vision but better still a methodology that would sweep not just the Socceroos to world glory but drag the rest of the nation’s players, clubs and leagues with him. Football would stride across Australia on its way to taking over the world. Hear him speak and he got to you. You could see his plans and tactics were more than a dream but could become reality. If anybody was going to make football and Australia click as one, it was Ange. Because early on, he was loved. He was Ange. And Ange was Australian soccer. He got Australia to Brazil in 2014 where a final group 3-0 loss to Spain was not a fair reflection of a fighting Australian effort. In Ange it seemed we had the answer. Four years later we have two critical matches against Honduras before we can even squeeze our way into the World Cup finals in Russia next year. Australian soccer has slipped — from a proud effort in Brazil to, at best, slipping in the back window to Russia. Rightly the Socceroos efforts have drawn criticism. The new formation with three at the back has few supporters. Team selections have been hammered and public interviews sometimes seem the results of a man determined to have a public breakdown. Just to really prove his point. He maintains the most childish position of not clarifying whether he will continue on to Russia with the team if they defeat Honduras. It seems the most fundamental question which demands a full and honest answer. After all he is the national coach. But he defers. “It’s yeah, I know ... you know what? It’s a kind of facetious question because people just want me to fit into their stereotype and answer it in a way that makes them feel really good about themselves. “If people are really worried about my future they should be worried about these two games, but they’re not, they just want an answer to a question and I’m not going to give ’em it,” said Ange. To walk away from the team as it could be preparing for the next World Cup draws images of a child walking away with his ball after being called a sook. His answer to the ABC questioner makes no sense. It is a jumble of thoughts and fears and defensive strategies for imagined plots. Facetious question? In what sense? It can’t be glib or flippant. Ange has not publicly committed to the World Cup. Nothing superficial about that. There is every reason to ask the question because it is Ange who is making all manner of things difficult. When the story was broken that he would not continue with the team if it reached Russia he needed to firstly say whether it was right or wrong, and secondly give a full explanation. He hasn’t done that; the FFA hasn’t done that. The players and the public are left in the dark so Whingecoglou can pout and scowl. Postecoglou began as coach of Australia with the full and warm support of Australians. With smiles and a bit of humour he won over the curious but unconvinced. He was seen by everyone to be the man to carry the nation forward to world soccer prominence. No one knows where that man has gone. Missing persons have been alerted. Because he certainly isn’t the glum, grim and griping sad sack that fronts media conferences these days. It looks on television that it would be more fun to saw your leg off than attend a Whingecoglou monologue. Like this: “I don’t care,” he said. “I love robust discussion about tactics but if I think something’s stupid, I’ll say it’s stupid. I want you to criticise absolutely, I want you to talk about it but that doesn’t mean that I’ll blindly follow what you say.” That little bit of Ange philosophy needs deconstruction. It means: “I get very cross with any criticism. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Criticise me by all means but I will never, never, never speak to you again. I used to really like all of you when you liked me. Now, you are just awful, awful, awful.” The Mighty Ange cannot take criticism. Not a dollop of it. Imagine how he would go as an AFL coach. He would unravel so frequently the club would have to appoint a personal raveller to bind poor Ange together again. He is the shell of his former self.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/the-cracks-of-ange-whingecoglou/news-story/f1bc787737e96711f744eda029954bc1
You know the vultures are circling when Fatprick Smith sees some opportunity More seagulls than spectators? "Kick to the seagulls," used to be Jack Gibson's clever maxim, when it came to the strategy of hoiking rugby league balls downfield. The obvious idea was to kick where the defenders weren't. I don't mean to be unkind, but it as well that he is not a soccer coach in the A-League these days. Last week when Melbourne Victory played at Etihad Stadium, I swear there were more seagulls than spectators? I accept that rugby crowds have dwindled alarmingly, and rugby league crowds are down, too, but is it not surprising that the same appears to be happening in soccer?
Peter FitzSimons: Remembering Fatty Vautin's finest moment - his outfield catch
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+x+x+xThe cracks of Ange WhingecoglouAnge Postecoglou is like that object you see ahead of you in the sand, still wet and glistening in the sun. It could be anything, broken and battered by the waves, but it could also be everything exciting. The closer you get to this mysterious object the more chips and cracks you see in what once would have been a cherished shell. Possibly priceless. Then you see it in bright light and clear water. That’s Ange Whingecoglou. Once thought to be a proud and mighty coach. A man with a vision but better still a methodology that would sweep not just the Socceroos to world glory but drag the rest of the nation’s players, clubs and leagues with him. Football would stride across Australia on its way to taking over the world. Hear him speak and he got to you. You could see his plans and tactics were more than a dream but could become reality. If anybody was going to make football and Australia click as one, it was Ange. Because early on, he was loved. He was Ange. And Ange was Australian soccer. He got Australia to Brazil in 2014 where a final group 3-0 loss to Spain was not a fair reflection of a fighting Australian effort. In Ange it seemed we had the answer. Four years later we have two critical matches against Honduras before we can even squeeze our way into the World Cup finals in Russia next year. Australian soccer has slipped — from a proud effort in Brazil to, at best, slipping in the back window to Russia. Rightly the Socceroos efforts have drawn criticism. The new formation with three at the back has few supporters. Team selections have been hammered and public interviews sometimes seem the results of a man determined to have a public breakdown. Just to really prove his point. He maintains the most childish position of not clarifying whether he will continue on to Russia with the team if they defeat Honduras. It seems the most fundamental question which demands a full and honest answer. After all he is the national coach. But he defers. “It’s yeah, I know ... you know what? It’s a kind of facetious question because people just want me to fit into their stereotype and answer it in a way that makes them feel really good about themselves. “If people are really worried about my future they should be worried about these two games, but they’re not, they just want an answer to a question and I’m not going to give ’em it,” said Ange. To walk away from the team as it could be preparing for the next World Cup draws images of a child walking away with his ball after being called a sook. His answer to the ABC questioner makes no sense. It is a jumble of thoughts and fears and defensive strategies for imagined plots. Facetious question? In what sense? It can’t be glib or flippant. Ange has not publicly committed to the World Cup. Nothing superficial about that. There is every reason to ask the question because it is Ange who is making all manner of things difficult. When the story was broken that he would not continue with the team if it reached Russia he needed to firstly say whether it was right or wrong, and secondly give a full explanation. He hasn’t done that; the FFA hasn’t done that. The players and the public are left in the dark so Whingecoglou can pout and scowl. Postecoglou began as coach of Australia with the full and warm support of Australians. With smiles and a bit of humour he won over the curious but unconvinced. He was seen by everyone to be the man to carry the nation forward to world soccer prominence. No one knows where that man has gone. Missing persons have been alerted. Because he certainly isn’t the glum, grim and griping sad sack that fronts media conferences these days. It looks on television that it would be more fun to saw your leg off than attend a Whingecoglou monologue. Like this: “I don’t care,” he said. “I love robust discussion about tactics but if I think something’s stupid, I’ll say it’s stupid. I want you to criticise absolutely, I want you to talk about it but that doesn’t mean that I’ll blindly follow what you say.” That little bit of Ange philosophy needs deconstruction. It means: “I get very cross with any criticism. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Criticise me by all means but I will never, never, never speak to you again. I used to really like all of you when you liked me. Now, you are just awful, awful, awful.” The Mighty Ange cannot take criticism. Not a dollop of it. Imagine how he would go as an AFL coach. He would unravel so frequently the club would have to appoint a personal raveller to bind poor Ange together again. He is the shell of his former self.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/the-cracks-of-ange-whingecoglou/news-story/f1bc787737e96711f744eda029954bc1
You know the vultures are circling when Fatprick Smith sees some opportunity More seagulls than spectators? "Kick to the seagulls," used to be Jack Gibson's clever maxim, when it came to the strategy of hoiking rugby league balls downfield. The obvious idea was to kick where the defenders weren't. I don't mean to be unkind, but it as well that he is not a soccer coach in the A-League these days. Last week when Melbourne Victory played at Etihad Stadium, I swear there were more seagulls than spectators? I accept that rugby crowds have dwindled alarmingly, and rugby league crowds are down, too, but is it not surprising that the same appears to be happening in soccer?
Peter FitzSimons: Remembering Fatty Vautin's finest moment - his outfield catch Maybe Fitzsimons should go back to talking about his diet seems to make more sense then is football observations.
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+xThe cracks of Ange WhingecoglouAnge Postecoglou is like that object you see ahead of you in the sand, still wet and glistening in the sun. It could be anything, broken and battered by the waves, but it could also be everything exciting. The closer you get to this mysterious object the more chips and cracks you see in what once would have been a cherished shell. Possibly priceless. Then you see it in bright light and clear water. That’s Ange Whingecoglou. Once thought to be a proud and mighty coach. A man with a vision but better still a methodology that would sweep not just the Socceroos to world glory but drag the rest of the nation’s players, clubs and leagues with him. Football would stride across Australia on its way to taking over the world. Hear him speak and he got to you. You could see his plans and tactics were more than a dream but could become reality. If anybody was going to make football and Australia click as one, it was Ange. Because early on, he was loved. He was Ange. And Ange was Australian soccer. He got Australia to Brazil in 2014 where a final group 3-0 loss to Spain was not a fair reflection of a fighting Australian effort. In Ange it seemed we had the answer. Four years later we have two critical matches against Honduras before we can even squeeze our way into the World Cup finals in Russia next year. Australian soccer has slipped — from a proud effort in Brazil to, at best, slipping in the back window to Russia. Rightly the Socceroos efforts have drawn criticism. The new formation with three at the back has few supporters. Team selections have been hammered and public interviews sometimes seem the results of a man determined to have a public breakdown. Just to really prove his point. He maintains the most childish position of not clarifying whether he will continue on to Russia with the team if they defeat Honduras. It seems the most fundamental question which demands a full and honest answer. After all he is the national coach. But he defers. “It’s yeah, I know ... you know what? It’s a kind of facetious question because people just want me to fit into their stereotype and answer it in a way that makes them feel really good about themselves. “If people are really worried about my future they should be worried about these two games, but they’re not, they just want an answer to a question and I’m not going to give ’em it,” said Ange. To walk away from the team as it could be preparing for the next World Cup draws images of a child walking away with his ball after being called a sook. His answer to the ABC questioner makes no sense. It is a jumble of thoughts and fears and defensive strategies for imagined plots. Facetious question? In what sense? It can’t be glib or flippant. Ange has not publicly committed to the World Cup. Nothing superficial about that. There is every reason to ask the question because it is Ange who is making all manner of things difficult. When the story was broken that he would not continue with the team if it reached Russia he needed to firstly say whether it was right or wrong, and secondly give a full explanation. He hasn’t done that; the FFA hasn’t done that. The players and the public are left in the dark so Whingecoglou can pout and scowl. Postecoglou began as coach of Australia with the full and warm support of Australians. With smiles and a bit of humour he won over the curious but unconvinced. He was seen by everyone to be the man to carry the nation forward to world soccer prominence. No one knows where that man has gone. Missing persons have been alerted. Because he certainly isn’t the glum, grim and griping sad sack that fronts media conferences these days. It looks on television that it would be more fun to saw your leg off than attend a Whingecoglou monologue. Like this: “I don’t care,” he said. “I love robust discussion about tactics but if I think something’s stupid, I’ll say it’s stupid. I want you to criticise absolutely, I want you to talk about it but that doesn’t mean that I’ll blindly follow what you say.” That little bit of Ange philosophy needs deconstruction. It means: “I get very cross with any criticism. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Criticise me by all means but I will never, never, never speak to you again. I used to really like all of you when you liked me. Now, you are just awful, awful, awful.” The Mighty Ange cannot take criticism. Not a dollop of it. Imagine how he would go as an AFL coach. He would unravel so frequently the club would have to appoint a personal raveller to bind poor Ange together again. He is the shell of his former self.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/opinion/patrick-smith/the-cracks-of-ange-whingecoglou/news-story/f1bc787737e96711f744eda029954bc1
Must say, I normally hate this Pat Smith bloke, and have despised all his previous cheap shots that he's taken at our game, however in this instance I actually have to agree. His argument is actually quite measured. Sure the title is pretty petty (and he clearly doesn't know that Ange didn't actually get the team to the last world cup in Brazil. No surprise) but in reality much of what he has written is actually what fans and media are thinking. We do deserve an answer. Being the national coach is not the same as a club coach. He has a responsibility as the national coach. If he thinks he's answered the question all along by saying that his journey will end once the journey to the world cup ends then the only way that can be translated is that he'll be there until we get knocked out either by Honduras or at the actual world cup during the journey of winning it. So some simple clarification and confirmation from him is expected. Instead he's made people guess and on top of that he's made it harder on himself by creating further speculation.
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WHINGECOGLOU Part 2. And shit I agree with him again. Ange’s biggest blunder rises from wounds of old warsSo we are off to the World Cup. We did it the awkward and long way. Mars was the big surprise, defiantly holding on for a one-all draw. Still, we knew the Martians were better prepared for the local conditions. Our place among the 32 countries for the finals in Russia next year was concreted in with a laboured 3-1 win against Honduras on Wednesday night in front of nearly 80,000 fans. Yet coach Ange Postecoglou did what he always does: followed a win with an even better whinge. Whingecoglou. Apparently he doesn’t like the nickname and so he bleats about it. Here is the problem. Postecoglou — who is obviously a very good coach — is somehow unaware that he is talking to two audiences. There are people and officials from the past he does not have much time for. Fair enough, that is his prerogative. He was hurt when he lost the national youth job and he must have felt Craig Foster, a loud and consistent critic, spoke for the sport when they had their live TV argument in 2006. And, in fairness, replays and revision make it appear Postecoglou was ambushed. So if he thinks Foster’s interrogation of him was a premeditated humiliation then his back would still be a portable cutlery display. And it is hard to imagine the wounds ever mending when contemporaries Mark Bosnich and Robbie Slater continue to set the table. To people who have been won over late by football and the glamour of the World Cup, then Postecoglou’s recent behaviour falls just short of bizarre. For instance, after Wednesday night’s win which guaranteed Australia a fifth World Cup appearance, Postecoglou said: “Mate, if people still think I go round worrying about what people think and looking for some kind of vindication, they’ve missed the last 20 years,” he said. “I won my first championship when I was 31 years old, and you know what, I could coach for another 20 years and I’ll always be an outsider in Australian football. “I don’t have the glittering Socceroo career that you need, but that’s fine, I’ll wear it as a badge of honour. The more comes my way, the more I’ll go down my own path.” What does that mean? To people who have only come late to soccer it appears code for something altogether sinister. Postecoglou has run a campaign against sections of the media through the media and in doing so lost, or at the very least loosened, the loyalty of supporters. Both rusted on and clinging on. What had drawn sporting fans to Postecoglou was his directness, honesty and refusal to fall into the simplistic and offensive teacher-talk of the modern coach. He treated players and public as peers and everybody was welcome aboard the Socceroos journey. His decision late in the qualifying stages to change the team’s formation was not challenged by the public. Ange knows best. But when he fell to the level of the C grade coach, not commenting on his future in the World Cup after the qualifying rounds, he was taken to be just another coach still bleeding from previous wars. We saw the man considered by many — and rightly so — to be the best coach of any code playing the tricks of the infantile. The public had bought tickets to the World Cup and Ange was presumed to be driving all the way. He failed to see that while going after those in the media who held serious concerns about a change in style he was confusing and, in fact, betraying those who saw him as an Australian taking on the world with panache and confidence. He admitted as much 24 hours after this week’s game. “I’ve had support all the way along, I’ve just not conveyed that. I’ve always felt well supported by the general public. I’ve loved every minute of this job, the greatest,” he said. The swing continued: “It makes no difference at the end of the day. For me, it’s making sure that I prepare the team well and that we perform like we did the other day (in Saturday’s first leg against Honduras). It’s nice to get the rewards and, most importantly, to give the 70-odd thousand people a memorable night. That’s why you’re involved in the game. “It’s about, hopefully, creating moments that will outlast your representation in whatever capacity and that’s the opportunity that exists tomorrow night. “More than anything else, it is to create a special moment for everyone involved for Australian football and everyone else in the country.” Here is Postecoglou speaking to that large portion of sports fans who were so taken by him in the A-League and before he took over the national job. As he read the headlines he so despises he must have realised — or someone kind told him — that in going after his enemies in the media he was losing the bulk of his army. Every coach is forced to withstand attacks — legitimate or just baseless passion. Ange felt he had right on his side and sought to show it. He didn’t do it very well and lost his late believers in the haranguing. Ange might not take Australia to Russia because he took the support of his countrymen and women for granted. And that has been Whingecoglou’s greatest and most inexplicable blunder.
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In Smiths article he says Ange qualified the team to the 2014 cup. Geez, the standard of 'journalism' is low in this country.
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I like the part in Smith's article about "imagine how he would go as an AFL coach" These are the guys I often mistake for trainers where the biggest point of failure is not winning a rigged suburban competition with a couple of teams in other states. And if the coach fails the team is rewarded for it AFL coaches have no idea what its like to have to assemble a squad at the 11th hour after carefully monitoring dozens of leagues around the world - and competing in a 200+ team global tournament with the final stage having the largest audience for any single competition. Where criticism and ridicule comes at you from all corners of the globes and all dialects Before judging Ange I would have liked to see how he went with a golden generation. But instead the current cattle are just rubbish and I doubt any other coach would have done better
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+xI like the part in Smith's article about "imagine how he would go as an AFL coach" Yeah I had to laugh at that one. The better analogy would be: "imagine how he would fare as coach in Europe or Asia". The rest of the article is 100% spot on.
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+x+xI like the part in Smith's article about "imagine how he would go as an AFL coach" Yeah I had to laugh at that one. The better analogy would be: "imagine how he would fare as coach in Europe or Asia". The rest of the article is 100% spot on. I was mildly conflicted because I agree with what he says also. But the AFL comment ensured it was posted in this thread.
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+x+x+xI like the part in Smith's article about "imagine how he would go as an AFL coach" Yeah I had to laugh at that one. The better analogy would be: "imagine how he would fare as coach in Europe or Asia". The rest of the article is 100% spot on. I was mildly conflicted because I agree with what he says also. But the AFL comment ensured it was posted in this thread. Haha yep, i was reading it and wondering why it was in this thread and then he went and mentioned that.
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Ol' mate Sheeds at it again in today's Herald Sun (where else?)... 
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+xOl' mate Sheeds at it again in today's Herald Sun (where else?)... You have to admit, as brutally offensive as that quote is, the man is very articulate and fluent
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+xYou have to admit, as brutally offensive as that quote is, the man is very articulate and fluent That may be so, but we are talking about someone who still believes his code can conquer all of Australia and eventually take off overseas :laugh:
The bloke's a senile piece of shit - the national gene-pool will be that much cleaner for his passing.
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+x+xOl' mate Sheeds at it again in today's Herald Sun (where else?)... You have to admit, as brutally offensive as that quote is, the man is very articulate and fluent Articulate? Any good examples of this?
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+xOl' mate Sheeds at it again in today's Herald Sun (where else?)... "So Kevin Sheedy why is it that Aussie Rules is so much better than soccer? " "Well, because it is just quite incredible" ... Well, pack 'er up boys. It's over. We can't compete with that! Fold the HAL. Scrap the NPL. Chuck all your round balls in the bin. Did you hear what he said?! Quite Incredible!
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 So inspiring it just gets beaten out by retired players who take up surfing.
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was trying to work out the chart a couple of posts above but its a 2015 morgan poll ... I answered myself
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the biggest enemy to oz football is the var.
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Interesting the comments towards football are the same anti-migrant stuff that was prominent in the 1950s the tone never changed they just removed the racist undertones. Can't say wog anymore so replace it with 'soccer player' and they can keep their racist diatribe.
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Why'd he even feel the need to reference soccer at all the old gimp
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Elliott: Bring your culture, not your hatred THE demonstration outside the State Library was stupid and ill-conceived. The fact that US President Donald Trump shifted the US Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem shouldn’t anger Melburnians. These kind of protests have the potential to raise foreign tensions that have no place in Australia. And let’s face it, there’s nothing local demonstrators can achieve that will influence events in the Middle East. These placard-waving demonstrators need to grow a brain before they engage in such un-Australian behaviour. It’s time we realised that imported ethnic rivalries have no place in this country. PROTESTS OVER DONALD TRUMP’S RECOGNITION OF JERUSALEM TRUMP’S ISRAEL SHIFT LESS ABOUT MIDDLE EAST, MORE TO APPEASE SUPPORTERS For decades we’ve happily welcomed migrants from all corners of the globe — but we need to take a stand against public displays of historic friction based on religion, race and culture. Pro Palestinian protesters march through Melbourne’s CBD. Picture: Jason Edwards A pro Israeli group in support of Donald Trump outside the State Library. Picture: Jason Edwards And that’s why Wednesday’s antagonism between pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian demonstrators deserves condemnation. If those who took part in this protest are so keen to re-fight the wars of the Middle East, let’s deport them overseas where they can hate each other to their hearts’ content. Conflict between Jews and Muslims goes back a long, long time. Members of those two rival religions have hated and killed each other on a regular basis since the 7th Century. Right now the well-organised Israelis appear to have the upper hand against Islamic rivals such as the Palestinians. That may change in the future, indeed as it has on many occasions in the past. GREG BARTON: WHAT ON EARTH WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP THINKING? Australia has very little to do with such an ancient Middle Eastern conflict. We neither caused its many hatreds, nor can we prevent them from recurring. So why do groups led by the pro-Palestinian Antifa (Anti-Fascist) and Avi Yemini (former Israeli soldier now aligned with the Australian Conservatives) feel the need to protest on our streets? Just what are they trying to prove? Most Jewish refugees who made their way to Australia after the end of WWII came to Australia because this nation offered a peaceful haven from the horrors of Nazi-decimated Europe. Many Muslims arrived here for the same reason — to avoid the bloodshed in places such as Iraq and Syria. Yet for reasons that are unfathomable to the rest of us, some members of both groups seem determined to continue their violent rivalries down under. Of course, such ethnic anger isn’t limited to migrants from the Middle East. For a long time in Australia, relations between Catholics and Protestants were tense as their relatives in the troubled British province of Northern Ireland bombed, shot and kneecapped each other. MORE TOM ELLIOTT A good friend of mine’s Protestant father regularly marched through Belfast’s Catholic neighbourhoods during the late 1960s and early 70s. After receiving death threats from Irish Republican Army-affiliated groups there, he migrated to Australia, only to find Northern Ireland’s tensions repeated here. Until the late 1990s, for example, the now-defunct Normandy Hotel in Clifton Hill displayed a plaque proclaiming that the pub was “Proudly sponsored by the Sinn Fein Gaelic Athletic Association”. At the time, Sinn Fein was the political arm of the IRA — and “proudly” active in Melbourne’s inner-north, half a world away from troubled Belfast. Other foreign rivalries also have made their presence felt here. At the 2007 Australian Open tennis, for example, groups of Croatian and Serbian supporters clashed in Garden Square. Serbian and Croatian fans scuffle in Garden Square in 2007. Picture: Getty Flags were waved, insults hurled, bottles smashed and punches thrown. “Die Croatians, die,” chanted Serbs at their opponents. All because dozens of young men, most of whom had been born and raised in Australia, thought it appropriate to reignite the vicious Yugoslav wars of the 1990s at a local tennis tournament. What idiots they were. Australian soccer also has a chequered past of hate-filled ethnic antagonism. In the old National Soccer League (1977-2004), just about every Victorian club identified with one Southern European country or another. Fans of teams such as South Melbourne Hellas (Greek), Brunswick Juventus (Italian), Footscray JUST (Yugoslavian) and Preston Makedonia (no translation required) often required separation by police because of violence at games. Sometimes matches had to be played before empty grandstands to avoid nationalistic grandstanding. There is no room in Australia for such imported hatred. A significant number of migrants come here because they’re fleeing racial tension in their homeland. The last thing any of them should want to be confronted by is the vicious rivalries of the Middle East, Northern Ireland, the Balkans — or anywhere else — being replayed on the streets of Melbourne. The solution is simple. Masked protesters should be thrown in jail. Ditto for any demonstrator who assaults police. Extra costs associated with law enforcement at protests should be levied against those who cause the problems. And for any troublemakers who aren’t Australian citizens? Deportation to their foreign conflict of choice. Sadly, there are plenty from which to choose. @TomElliott3AW http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/tom-elliott/tom-elliott-bring-your-culture-not-your-hatred/news-story/8d72343813964db7d6c305dab85fb103
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I didn't think it was possible for someone to be a bigger douche than John Elliot. Well I was wrong, I didn't count on his son Tom. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it.
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Has Australian Open crowd behaviour crossed the line in 2018? JANUARY 17, 20188:49pm Chris Cavanagh Herald Sun AUSTRALIAN John Millman has hit out at noisy fans who “crossed the line” during his hard fought four-set loss to Bosnian Damir Dzumhur. Show Court 3 at Melbourne Park had an atmosphere more associated with a soccer game than a tennis match, supporters causing frustrations for both players who made their feelings clear with the chair umpire. http://www.news.com.au/sport/tennis/has-australian-open-crowd-behaviour-crossed-the-line-in-2018/news-story/7fc01e795fe95b459460513ee6440543
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Wow. Drink some cement Princess(es)
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Edit: I take back what i said, should have paid more attention to the video. Yeah that is fucked
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No surprises to see that Bullshitting Brett Guerin the Vic Pol Assitant Commisioner that routinely came out speaking agaisnt football fans, saying games were not safe for families like at the AFL etc has been exposed as a unhinged and deceptive racist, using alias' to attack people on the internet.
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+xNo surprises to see that Bullshitting Brett Guerin the Vic Pol Assitant Commisioner that routinely came out speaking agaisnt football fans, saying games were not safe for families like at the AFL etc has been exposed as a unhinged and deceptive racist, using alias' to attack people on the internet. that he was associated with ethics standards is a joke in the first place
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Something a little difference, anyone know if the author is pro-AFL, NRL or what? Matthew Lodge's NRL return doesn't pass the smell test and overshadows the start of league season By Offsiders columnist Richard Hinds Updated 
There are some who believe the NRL's contentious decision to allow Matthew Lodge to play with the Brisbane Broncos this season will somehow be good for rugby league.This assumption is not based on teammate Darius Boyd's hopeful prediction Lodge will one day be a State of Origin star or Wayne Bennett's yearning for (yet another) fairy tale premiership.It is due to the false premise that the NRL is the cockroach of national competitions and nothing, not matter how toxic, can kill it. That "rugby league thrives on scandal!"This misconception has led the most vituperative of the media hacks and crisis merchants to justify their salacious gossip, agenda-riddled headlines and associated bile with the self-serving mantra: "Rugby league thrives on scandal!"Of course the NRL does not thrive on scandal; it somehow survives despite it. Largely because the game is at an athletic peak and the baked-on fans are touchingly loyal, even while some of those supposed to administer, publicise, exalt or provide subjective analysis on the competition too often let them down.Lodge was cleared to play for the Broncos in early November — when the pending Ashes series was the main subject of media conversation. His despicable action in terrorising a woman and a New York family occurred in October 2015.These time lapses have been used both to justify Lodge's registration and to shoot those messengers now condemning the NRL's decision."It happened a long time ago and Matthew has changed" and "If it is such a bad decision, why didn't anyone object three months ago?" are the rather limp defences used by those more interested in having Lodge in a Broncos jersey than seeing him pay fair restitution to his traumatised victims. 
Of course, it is what takes place during those time periods rather than the time itself that is telling. And Lodge's days were clearly not filled with the acts of contrition and, particularly, compensation that would guarantee the privilege of playing in the NRL.Lodge's powerful agent clearly presented a compelling case to NRL chief executive Todd Greenberg that his client was fully rehabilitated. So compelling Greenberg said he had looked into Lodge's eyes and been convinced he was fit to reclaim his place in the game.Unfortunately, Greenberg does not seem to have looked in the eyes of Lodge's traumatised victims, including the then nine year-old boy who still suffers night tremors because of the attack, and comprehended the lasting harm the player he is embracing has caused. Victims had no say in Lodge decisionIn criminal court cases often the most compelling moment is the victim impact statement. Media player: "Space" to play, "M" to mute, "left" and "right" to seek. It is only in recent days — including in an interview with the ABC's 7.30 — that we have heard from the victims of Lodge's awful crime spree and gotten a deeper understanding of the depth of his wrongdoing and the long-term damage caused.So even if we didn't jump up and down three months ago when Lodge was reinstated, surely we are entitled to make a noise upon hearing this testimony.And if this is not enough to change the minds of those who believe Lodge deserves his golden ticket, or just happy the Broncos had picked up a cheap front-rower, it was reported in the Sunday Telegraph that the NRL was aware Lodge had pleaded guilty to assaulting a former girlfriend some time ago.This is at odds with the NRL's previous statements and, particularly, the league's stance that Lodge was being given a "second chance".Make that a third chance, and one that puts Greenberg in a particularly sticky situation.Greenberg was Canterbury Bulldogs chief executive when evidence of an alleged domestic assault involving champion fullback Ben Barba was not revealed to the NRL.That was something that could have could have cost Greenberg the chance to assume his now powerful position, even as he maintained he had acted in the best interests of everyone concerned.Safe to say if Greenberg has succumbed to the wishes of powerful agents and clubs in reinstating Lodge while not taking the very serious previous offence into consideration, he won't be the most popular man at White Ribbon Day or Women in League Round this season. Testing times for league administration
 At this point, you might normally suggest this is the first moment when new Australian Rugby League Commission chairman Peter Beattie could step in, flex a bit of muscle and restore confidence in the game's administration.But, rugby league being rugby league, you wonder if Queensland-based, Brisbane Broncos-supporting Beattie would choose this as the first boat to rock.As it is, Lodge's reinstatement has overshadowed what should be a joyous start to the season; one preceded by a warm tribute to the brilliant Jonathan Thurston and Cameron Smith and before which, quite cleverly, the NRL has promoted the hope created by stars such as Cooper Cronk who have defected to new clubs, not bemoaning the loss of the "one team player".Some will continue to claim any crisis, whether caused by questionable decisions like the Lodge case or confected by the worst of the game's media muckrakers, maintains interest in the NRL.Of course, instead, it merely creates a stench that causes many to ignore or actively avoid what is, in so many other ways, a fantastic competition. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-05/hinds-matthew-lodge-return-testing-nrls-scandal-threshold/9507650
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^ used to be quite derogatory but has changed and is a very reasonable and sensible voice. In fact, he now regularly sticks up for the game calling out all the BS from other media.
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+x^ used to be quite derogatory but has changed and is a very reasonable and sensible voice. In fact, he now regularly sticks up for the game calling out all the BS from other media. My understanding is he was always a fan of the game; he just used to reckon we had a chip on our shoulder about football not being No.1 here. But as you said, he's seen the light for a while now.
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Malcolm Conn, the guy that kept writing all of those anti football tweets, is also the Senior Communications Manager for Cricket Australia. I reckon he's done a terrible job with this current cricket shmozzle. The story has changed day after day, we haven't heard the truth, it's taken ages for dribs and drabs of information to come out, Warner hasn't fronted the press conference etc etc.
In my view, Malcolm Conn has been really poor at his job.
Now, he used to work for Newscorp, and I haven't seen 1 mention of his name, in any newscorp article. Mmmmm, I wonder why. Also, they seem to block anyone making negative comments about him in the comments section of articles.
Maybe the Fairfax papers will be a bit more open to someone making a comment on how poor the communications have been under good ol Malcolm's stewardship. Feel free to join me if you like.
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442 article on Malcolm Conn battening down the hatches: https://www.fourfourtwo.com.au/news/fans-revenge-at-football-hating-cricket-commentator-487905His last tweet just before the story broke was particularly delicious, gloating at WSW losing a sponsor, directly before cricket lost $20 million and counting thanks to his team's disgraceful act lol
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People should get into that Conn scumbag for all eternity.
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+xPeople should get into that Conn scumbag for all eternity. Whenever I see him, I touch him awkwardly and he buckles, doesn't say a word. He is an awkward bloke, funny to see. He hangs around Martin Place a lot.
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+x+xPeople should get into that Conn scumbag for all eternity. Whenever I see him, I touch him awkwardly and he buckles, doesn't say a word. He is an awkward bloke, funny to see. He hangs around Martin Place a lot. thats weird
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Time to stick it to Malcolm conn for the diabolical state of cricket, considering he was bragging how much money they have etc. most of the staff have been stood down, nobody watching the game overseas and reports now channel seven is trying to tear up their contract.
Delicious.
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