National second division format announce! Expressions of interest due within a month


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numklpkgulftumch - 4 Mar 2023 8:18 AM
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What's the source for this? Can't find anything on Google or Twitter. Wikipedia features it but with no source.

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Laughable some of the comments in here. 

A genuine National Second Tier is in the offing and without so much as single factoid to hand, we see the "answer" to non-specific (or even extant?) problems is to somehow combine some of the NPL Vic with some of the NPL NSW and call it something that it absolutely isn't.  It wouldn't be a second division or even a second tier.  It would be a pathetic recasting of some of the NPL and completely invisible and irrelevant to the football nation.

So instead of a pyramid that any club in the country could aspire to reach its peak, it would be a self abusing, closed off rump of a molehill, that represents everything currently, and historically, with the game in this country.

It would be dead at birth.

Deservedly so.





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LFC. - 4 Mar 2023 1:33 PM
Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 12:37 PM

Add in SU58 and APIA making it 10 

Sorry 8

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Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 12:37 PM
Butler99 - 3 Mar 2023 7:20 PM

@grazorblade
As discussed here. 

Add in SU58 and APIA making it 10 


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Butler99 - 3 Mar 2023 7:20 PM
grazorblade - 3 Mar 2023 7:14 PM

Well...
I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. 

Knights. 
South 
Preston 
Wolves 
Marconi 
Olympic. 

Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well
I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. 
Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the  City of old. 

Watch the rhetoric from JJ. 
Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc "


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As discussed here. 
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Which 8 do you think are the strongest?
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gul15 - 4 Mar 2023 12:03 PM
Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 11:28 AM

I'm hearing you and I'm basing it off nothing but a massive assumption that at least 10 of the clubs have crunched the numbers and believe that they have everything in place to take that next step. 
I too believe it is necessary for the game but I don't believe it will be the silver bullet that will sort out all the the games issues in this country as some seem to think. The biggest benefit for me will be the consolidation of the NPL playing pool, more quality matches at a higher intensity for the top 100 or so players outside the AL. The benefit to football will be far greater than the benefit to any of the individual clubs.  

Agreed. 💯
As well as a better competition for coaches to show what they can do. 


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Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 11:28 AM
gul15 - 4 Mar 2023 11:06 AM

What does achievable exactly mean??

You think there are 10-12 clubs capable of turning pro to some degree next season?? 

GC Knights and Avondale were amatuer clubs 10 years ago and now all of a sudden they're second division candidates?? 
They're basically vessels built on the ego and $$ of one bloke. 

Sorry. 
I'm just not getting carried away. 
As much as I believe it's necessary for our game. 
I'll tread with caution


I'm hearing you and I'm basing it off nothing but a massive assumption that at least 10 of the clubs have crunched the numbers and believe that they have everything in place to take that next step. 
I too believe it is necessary for the game but I don't believe it will be the silver bullet that will sort out all the the games issues in this country as some seem to think. The biggest benefit for me will be the consolidation of the NPL playing pool, more quality matches at a higher intensity for the top 100 or so players outside the AL. The benefit to football will be far greater than the benefit to any of the individual clubs.  
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gul15 - 4 Mar 2023 11:06 AM
Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 10:53 AM

I think 10-12 is achievable in the first few years with the rest in a champion league style 3rd division if they are interested in competing on the national stage.  
This will soon separate the fully committed clubs from the wishful thinkers

What does achievable exactly mean??

You think there are 10-12 clubs capable of turning pro to some degree next season?? 

GC Knights and Avondale were amatuer clubs 10 years ago and now all of a sudden they're second division candidates?? 
They're basically vessels built on the ego and $$ of one bloke. 

Sorry. 
I'm just not getting carried away. 
As much as I believe it's necessary for our game. 
I'll tread with caution


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Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 10:53 AM
Beretta - 4 Mar 2023 10:33 AM

It's not a matter of  who I would prefer on the list. 

Im just taking the rose tinted glasses off, being realistic and simply asking questions. 

An 8 team league is all is see at the moment. 
If in fact it gets off the ground in 2024




I think 10-12 is achievable in the first few years with the rest in a champion league style 3rd division if they are interested in competing on the national stage.  
This will soon separate the fully committed clubs from the wishful thinkers
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Beretta - 4 Mar 2023 10:33 AM
Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 10:10 AM

Who would you rather have on this list? More failed franchise's?

I'm surprised Canberra United didn't do An EOI seeing as though they already have a Women's AL side.

It's not a matter of  who I would prefer on the list. 

Im just taking the rose tinted glasses off, being realistic and simply asking questions. 

An 8 team league is all is see at the moment. 
If in fact it gets off the ground in 2024




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Beretta - 4 Mar 2023 10:33 AM
Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 10:10 AM

Who would you rather have on this list? More failed franchise's?

I'm surprised Canberra United didn't do An EOI seeing as though they already have a Women's AL side.

Short odds to be the next ALM team
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Butler99 - 4 Mar 2023 10:10 AM
someguyjc - 4 Mar 2023 10:05 AM

Most likely FOMO by one or a few people within these clubs. 
Like most on the list really. 

Am I the only one who isn't really excited by this list?? 
Don't get carried away when you see a club name. E.g. West Adelaide. Adelaide City. 
These clubs are a shadow of their former selves. 

As I said, I'd struggle to find 8 suitable bids. 

Who would you rather have on this list? More failed franchise's?

I'm surprised Canberra United didn't do An EOI seeing as though they already have a Women's AL side.
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someguyjc - 4 Mar 2023 10:05 AM
Beretta - 4 Mar 2023 8:44 AM

It just goes to show you just how much being part of a national league means to these clubs. 

Most likely FOMO by one or a few people within these clubs. 
Like most on the list really. 

Am I the only one who isn't really excited by this list?? 
Don't get carried away when you see a club name. E.g. West Adelaide. Adelaide City. 
These clubs are a shadow of their former selves. 

As I said, I'd struggle to find 8 suitable bids. 
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Beretta - 4 Mar 2023 8:44 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 4 Mar 2023 8:18 AM

Surprised West Adelaide Hellas are willing to merge and give up so much history in the process

What history?? It's a new entity.  

They went bust. 
Merged with Olympic?
New club started. 
Tried to bid for A-league spot. 
Presided over $5M and constructed a half built stadium. Which they still can't use. 

West Adelaide struggle to be a strong SA team. 
And claims of them being a powerhouse are simply wrong. 


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numklpkgulftumch - 4 Mar 2023 8:18 AM

Surprised West Adelaide Hellas are willing to merge and give up so much history in the process

It just goes to show you just how much being part of a national league means to these clubs. 
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numklpkgulftumch - 4 Mar 2023 8:18 AM
bohemia - 4 Mar 2023 4:17 AM

Campbelltown City
Northeastern Metrostars
West Torren Birkalla
West Adelaide


Surprised West Adelaide Hellas are willing to merge and give up so much history in the process
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bohemia - 4 Mar 2023 4:17 AM
numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 9:49 PM

Anyone have mail on this? Clubs putting together a Crows team?

Campbelltown City
Northeastern Metrostars
West Torren Birkalla
West Adelaide


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numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 9:49 PM
EOI Submitted list

CONFIRMED ONLY


25. Football South Australia

Anyone have mail on this? Clubs putting together a Crows team?
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soccerfoo - 3 Mar 2023 10:54 PM
PGR - 3 Mar 2023 10:47 PM

...and have three teams in your competition. All the rest are of migrant heritage.

Doesn't matter what heritage, let the best that meets the criteria get the nod.

BTW - Brisbane City for example are of Italian heritage but are not like say the Melb and Sydney Croatias, that fight the system and keep to their own.

Let's not forget............
Such additional criteria as Football Australia may determine are in the best interests of football in Australia


I predict City will be one of the teams selected.
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bohemia - 3 Mar 2023 11:12 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 10:53 PM

I don't rate you as a poster tbh. blah blah something negative. Cool, just what we need. Jog on

Good point , well argued and based on relevant facts.

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numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 10:53 PM
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Olympic and City are forced to drop out of NPL but Strikers get to play on

If they aren't a 'Strikers' bid then Brisbane United have no history, no ground, no fans, and are somehow going to get a spot ?

No rivals in Brisbane ? Assuming the other 2 won't get in, I guess.

BU could at least flush out what the FA are really up to.

I don't rate you as a poster tbh. blah blah something negative. Cool, just what we need. Jog on
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soccerfoo - 3 Mar 2023 10:58 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 10:53 PM

Strikers came into the NSL as Brisbane Utd, then changed their name. The are entering with the original Utd name again, along with the other partners.

And ?

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Great to see many clubs put their hat into the ring with the EOI's, wish them all the best in the next stage but clearly there is appetite for an NSD potentially starting season, cant wait! 

A shame no team from WA which you can understand but plenty of options all across the country nevertheless.
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numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 10:53 PM
bohemia - 3 Mar 2023 10:36 PM

Olympic and City are forced to drop out of NPL but Strikers get to play on

If they aren't a 'Strikers' bid then Brisbane United have no history, no ground, no fans, and are somehow going to get a spot ?

No rivals in Brisbane ? Assuming the other 2 won't get in, I guess.

BU could at least flush out what the FA are really up to.

Strikers came into the NSL as Brisbane Utd, then changed their name. The are entering with the original Utd name again, along with the other partners.
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PGR - 3 Mar 2023 10:47 PM
soccerfoo - 3 Mar 2023 10:40 PM

The best that fits as much of the 'evaluation criteria' as possible. There are 5. This one will be major....... 

Such additional criteria as Football Australia may determine are in the best interests of football in Australia.


...and have three teams in your competition. All the rest are of migrant heritage.
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bohemia - 3 Mar 2023 10:36 PM
numklpkgulftumch - 3 Mar 2023 10:31 PM

wtf are you even on about? they have their separate bids so obviously they're not part of BU's membership.

They'll play wherever their bid proposes

Did you have a 3 second deadline to meet to get something negative out of your keyboard without reading anything?

Olympic and City are forced to drop out of NPL but Strikers get to play on

If they aren't a 'Strikers' bid then Brisbane United have no history, no ground, no fans, and are somehow going to get a spot ?

No rivals in Brisbane ? Assuming the other 2 won't get in, I guess.

BU could at least flush out what the FA are really up to.

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Krayem has good intentions but keep in mind that he is saying all the right narritives to conjure up support with a solid fanbase.
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soccerfoo - 3 Mar 2023 10:40 PM
PGR - 3 Mar 2023 10:06 PM

Easy to say BUT, South Melbourne, Adelaide City, West Adelaide (combining with another), Heidleberg, Gold Coast Kings, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Utd (don't deserve a spot), Brisbane Olympic, Sydney Olympic, Apia, Marconi, Canberra Croatia, Preston Lions and Rockdale illnden - Among Others, have ethnic roots. Take them out and we have no comp. Put aside the 'anglo monoethnic perspective,' and embrace the teams.

The best that fits as much of the 'evaluation criteria' as possible. There are 5. This one will be major....... 

Such additional criteria as Football Australia may determine are in the best interests of football in Australia.


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PGR - 3 Mar 2023 10:06 PM
“With no natural rivals and no cultural background that is fixed to a nationality or country, we can confidently claim to be a club all of Brisbane can support, regardless of where you play, who you support or where your cultural heritage lies"


The assessment of teams for the NST should consider this example as one (there are others as well) of the most critical criterias required for entry.

Easy to say BUT, South Melbourne, Adelaide City, West Adelaide (combining with another), Heidleberg, Gold Coast Kings, Melbourne Knights, Sydney Utd (don't deserve a spot), Brisbane Olympic, Sydney Olympic, Apia, Marconi, Canberra Croatia, Preston Lions and Rockdale illnden - Among Others, have ethnic roots. Take them out and we have no comp. Put aside the 'anglo monoethnic perspective,' and embrace the teams. Thats a continuation of the British Australia Culture in the 50's, 60's and 70's, when a swaith of new migrants from Europe were arriving and ofcourse not embraced, which is the very reason football is still coming in at around fourth or fifth, behind Afl, Nrl, Cricket and maybe Basketball.
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