That is super dogshit. Hoping that the NST clubs can put B-team or 20s team lower down in the pyramid. If the plastics can do it, I don't see why not? Could be a safety net to ease the damage in case the NST do collapse (hope not).

Thanks mate, we both want this thing to get off the ground as soon as possible, as do many many others... The APL protectionism is just so shit, worse than any of the bad ol effnik bogey men some on here like to hate on... I just wish some could see it for what it is, thats all.

The latest hurdle to NST now is the rumour that 2 or 3 state FAs are refusing to budge in regards to relegation back into the NPL.. Basically saying that if any clubs from their state pull out of the NPL then if the NST "experiment" fails in 2-3 years then any club would have to re-jointhe football pyramid back at the lowest possible state league... This is for SURE going to make a few of the smaller clubs think twice about applying FFS.

To explain, so if South, Knights and Bergers pull out of NPL VIC1 to join NST next year and it fails in 2-3 years, they would only be allowed back into State 4 Victoria the following season ........ I guess only plastic farking garbage franchises can skip the queue eh?? FFS I hate these muppets so badly sometimes...

This is, apparently the REAL reason why pro/rel to NPL wont happen from day dot, because 2-3 fuckin little state shitty federations are going to lose their "wog cash cows" from NPL and are bitter about it .... HAHAHAHAHAAH we can never ever win in this country., 

yer that it was the past is the past (NSL) - yes closed comp is the challenge for its only openning to new bids/entities that is proving its not working barring the exceptions.
This little place is nothing like the USA that can sustain a product to the mass's.
Our population and DNA is so different to the yanks regards sport.

Even though the NST requirements maybe OTT I think making sure to meet a standard is whats needed period considering the issues of the past 30yrs.
Sure some Clubs are no where near it (dreamers) BUT at least 30 have thrown their hat in the ring, this will sort out the have's and have nots.
Importantly the have not's will know where they need to be to have a chance in the future.

Yep no doubt about it there will be resistance from within and more so the APL throwing in their dis content as Townsend has mentioned his annoyance of exclusion to content to date.
We're good at shooting ourselves on the foot - those opposed should have shame.

By the way well said MSC above.

OR .... you can chose to see the glass half full version where the reasoning behind stronger expectations is to drive ambition and professionalism mate.... 

One of the many criticisms of current NPL is that, despite all these "criteria" put in place regarding ground capacities, player points system, TD, Youth programs etc, too many clubs have "flouted" the criteria for whatever reason. Wanting to be in the top flight just to appease their members and community rather than seeing it as a way to improve themselves...

Aspirational football for ALL clubs is what I think the most beneficial outcome of the NST can bring... Who knows if it works but personally I would rather clubs have a clear idea of what and how they need to operate before they can "jump to the next tier"  Keeping clubs out that are not yet "ready" like West Adelaide is a good thing (no disrespect to the WA Hellas fans) as at least if they know what has to be done to progress (and more importantly what the "rewards" of moving up the pyramid can be) Sink or swim it is the only way. Its the very definition of JJs club licensing push in the flesh.

12-16 strong clubs in the NST and 30-40 "weaker" clubs in the NPL below with ambition and a clear pathway as to what they need to do to get promoted is a golden generation waiting to happen again.  None of this bullshit "fish where the fish are" open for bids and whoever has a foreign backer can buy a license.... We need CLUBS not a reality television product that proports to be a football club to sell merch and season tickets.

As much as I loath the how and why the Aleague was formed, the one thing it did do is set a "criteria" for what the minimum requirements for a professional club are... Now whether or not it succeeded in implementing that is another question in and of itself... 

When did p/r get canned at State league level? 

From what I understand, the Aleague franchises are welcome to apply to NST EOI however one of the conditions is that they withdraw from next seasons Aleague .... Interesting to see if any of them try and jump on board.

A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. 
By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. 
The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. 

The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. 
But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. 

An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. 
But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ

In the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place.
The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs.
It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs.
NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another.
Mosh pit and a half.

LOL..........I think the other once great club Brisbane Roar will be holding hands with them.

Haha 
Do you know exactly what Joondalup is about? 
Do you really think they are "contracting" their young players???

I daresay not one of their players that got sent to the UK has ever been contracted by Joondalup. 
The kids went before even turning 18. 
They have benefitted from expat families living in the area and the young lads managing to go back to the UK while underage because they mostly have a British passport. 
And anyone that knows Perth knows it's Little Britain up that way. 

They kids simply get slot into the youth teams in the UK and some of them make it which gives Joondalup a fee.  If they make it. 

But I'd also hazard a guess, not one kid from Joondalup that went to the UK ONLY had an Aussie passport. They wouldn't bypass the FIFA rules then. 

Trying to equate this success for Joondalup to contracting youth is false. 

Should credit MV for their  efforts in closing the gap

With a professional NST as has been proposed, the gulf between the ALM and NST won't be much at at all. That's the good bit. The bad bit is that there will be a definite gulf between the NST and any third tier and lower. It will be a long, long time before we'll see, if at all, a professional 3rd tier to bridge the gap. P&R will therefore never work as well as it did during the state league era. Even then it was canned.

I don't for one minute, want to undervalue the worth of the NST as it is a great step for Australian football. But P&R will be disappointing due to these gaps in standard.

But these are youth or reserves teams here not the senior team that competes in the a-league, they will likely leave the NPL senior competition go into the NSD.

I will be curious to know what will happen when pro-rel happens between a-league and NSD, those youth teams cant get promoted like they do in European leagues.

What about new entity, Melbourne Kicktory

EOI specifies that a club must depart their current league if they wish to participate in the NST. So an NPL club can no longer compete in the NPL if they get selected for the NST. An A-League club cannot compete in the A-League if they get selected for the NST.

It's true there is a gap in the pathway for young players when they are not playing during the a-league season and you cant compromise coaches to force to play more young players in the process so there is a opportunity for some sort of youth or reserve league during the a-league season months to be brought back in.

But the question is why does the APL need consultation with regards to the NSD? The EOI process is already underway so I dont this get this at all and of course it doesnt stop them applying to get in through their reserve or youth teams if they feel if that's a better pathway also.
Unless they are not allowed to? 

All I read is that they see the hole between Sept/Oct to March.
Yep that where they should re introduce their own YLeague amongst their academies good on them so they should.
Obviously they are puzzled not being involved in the NST EOI but its got nothing to do with them in the first place, sure they may expect some contact and brief but in the end thats up to the FA or APL reaching out.
No diff to them when re instating their own YL through the summer as mentioned, will they consult the FA/NST tom dick and harry so they can understand the process.

I wonder why they are then fighting tooth and nail against the proposed Domestic Transfer System?  I would argue that there was no "what's a Joondalup?" moment but more along the lines of your second statement about the horror of them realising they WILL be bypassed. 

If the NYL is planned as supplementary to NST then I retract my comments and say good .... but only IF (and its a big IF) the Aleague clubs dont use this as a way to "lock in" youth players to their franchise, loan them out to NST clubs and hope to make a transfer fee in the future without doing any of the "work"....... Maybe Im a bitter jaded fool but this "aha" moment seems to me a way of keeping control of the "talent" rather than wanting to create better outcomes for the national teams...... 

I really worry your motivations at times.  I'm not sure how you are skewing that story to where you can make any of that statement.

I read it as: The APL are a bit miffed that they are being "left out" of what they see as a major change to the football landscape with the planning of the NST.
They have identified that the youth pathway is lacking (and seemingly that have worked out that it is costing them money).
With the NST competition proposed for March to September there will be a youth development gap that they can fill with a resumption and expansion of their youth league from October to February.

Reading into it, I am guessing that they have suddenly identified that their is a goldmine in contracting promising young players, advancing their careers and on-selling their contracts.  That's sort of a "FMD, at last!" moment right there.  Perhaps they are feeling a little uncomfortable about who will actually own those contracts? Maybe somebody said "why aren't we doing what Joondalup has been doing for decades?"

I can imagine the blank faces and the "what's a Joondalup?" moment.  I can imagine the horror when they realised they can be completely bypassed and the further realisation that there is a burgeoning market coming and they will be the customer and not the seller.

Did I mention that they feel hurt because there is a lack of respect toward their highnesses?

And just like THAT the first benefit to Australian soccer has been ticked off, without a ball even being kicked.

APL scrambling to re-establish the National Youth League before the "effnik hordes" destroy their precious monopoly..... Laughing my ass off at the Trashcan man wanting to be consulted re NST.....

https://www.espn.com/soccer/australian-a-league-men/story/4877039/apl-examining-framework-to-plug-gaping-hole-in-alm-pathways

There is always divide in every comp top to bottom for starters followed by the next level below But the ALM bottom half are not much better than the top half of certain NPL1's as we've seen in the Australia Cup last couple of seasons.
Give the NST a couple of seasons under their belts and their standard will improve for most of them and will compete against ALM Clubs plus IF when a 3rd tier kicks in.

Is there really that much of a disparity between the 16th best team outside of the A-League and the 17th best team? I doubt it.

Let's say NSW ends up with 5 teams in the NSD: APIA, Marconi, Olympic, SUFC and Wollongong. That means that teams like Manly, Rockdale and Blacktown would still be in the NSWPL. I imagine they could all make the step up to an NSD without too much issue.

Same goes with Victoria. After South, Knights, Bergers and Preston (for example), you then have Avondale, Oakleigh, Bentleigh, Hume knocking at the door. Or QLD: any of Pen Power, Lions, City, GCU or Olympic could compete, but only 2 or 3 probably will, the others will have to aim for promotion.

So the transition won't be too much a gulf in class. It could be further smoothed out (eventually) by a third tier divided into north and south conferences.

Prior to 1977, there existed (at least in Vic) a top tier involving the State League and 4 Divisions below it. All 5 tiers of comps were under the P&R system. So 1 team starting in Division 4 could after 5 years theoretically end up playing in the top flight if they won the title 4 consecutive years in a row.

This worked well as comps immediately above and below each other did not have a massive gulf in standard between them, although between the State League (who were semi professional) and Division 1 there was a bigger difference, albeit not as much as between the A-League and the NPL now. 

To make the P&R system work satisfactorily now, it has to have better equity in standards throughout. The NST is small step that will boost short term interests for a few clubs but not for the majority. Even if it does work, it may not be enough for it to continue, as was the case with the introduction of a break-away league called the NSL.

It is good we are to have a strong 2nd tier, however I wouldn't be popping champagne bottles over P&R just yet. We may never see it in its purist format.

In case this is a serious post,

The NPL is the 3rd tier

One thing at a time.

As there is a desire to create pro/rel between the lower tiers (first), there had  better be a third tier or the teams cannot be promoted and also relegated to anywhere.

Zoom EOI briefing sessiion underway

https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1624999575118557185?s=20&t=ok_D1AdB1BpcYjrh--kVQg

https://twitter.com/AAFClubs/status/1624698059790905350

35 x club presidents met last night...... :)

State mix is an artificial requirement

EOI Q&A tonight,

wonder what was said?