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It seriously is a non issue talking about the MLS but thats its only way to compete against the usual bigger local sports is MONEY and they have plenty investors willing in doing so. Is that to judge success ? When you can buy a Messi its hardly a risk to the Club and governance/sponsers who all invested. Trouble is it raised ticket membership costs and day tickets but what else will it achieve after he's gone, they have had many top flighters over the years, think back to ADP here, they can leverage heaps more than us. Hardly and USA players making noise abroad after all these years, an exception now and then after so much $$$ invested. Good luck to the USL they need it in spades full. The other huge issue they have due to their system its costing heaps for Jnrs similar to here. https://medium.com/@kendramackenziesantiago/the-soaring-costs-of-youth-soccer-in-america-a-global-perspective-10577a0f8aefJust do a simple search on Jnr soccer as they call it, heaps of info. Even Zlatan made comments about the costs having learned what goes on below. Seriously leave following anything what the USA does, its a bubble and glitz show, we are not in their realm, all their sports are "shows" if you haven't experienced do yourself a favour and attend one or 3 as I have. Its a wank fest.
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The only way the MLS survived was a couple of billionaires bankrolled it for a few years and gifted stadiums to some of the franchises. One was Lamar Hunt, the other I forget. Hunt was also at the forefront of professional tennis and also heavily involved in gridiron I
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting news coming from the USA.... understanding the background helps in main part of the post.. Very brief background. The MLS is a privately owned company whose shareholders are its 30 clubs and is considered the .main US professional competition. The USL is another company with teams and it is considered the second competition a kinda second division.. League 1 is a kida third division. What separates these companies / leagues is essentially there stadium size and fan base size. Recently USL [United Soccer League] have been building new stadiums from 5k thu to 15K with most being in the 8 to 10 K size.... They also pay their players a reasonable amount. Lesson and background over . How does the above relate to the second tier or division in Australia... Simple USL just signed a major broadcast deal with ESPN, and will go into direct competition to the MLS. Imagine if JJ can get a broadcast deal ... very very very interesting article 27 Feb in the US so hot off the press.... https://awfulannouncing.com/soccer/usl-espn-cbs-media-rights-2024.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Very interesting Mid, thanks for posting. Can you imagine how much stronger American soccer could be if they where united rather than divided like this?
..... Yes and no, the investment made by the owners of both MLS & USL teams is in the multi billions, the key to the rise of Football in the US is their crowds, and the fact that most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium.... given the state of US Football to the mids 1990 when MLS was formed, and how MLS almost died, until around 2004 they decided to invest in their own stadiums. The simple truth, hhhhmmm maybe truth is the wrong word... however the time lines are quite clear, the MLS took off once they controlled and operated their own stadiums. Football prior to the MLS was a very very very small sport with the US sporting environment.... could Football be were it is today in the US without the investment in stadiums and teams, would the investment in stadiums and teams have been there with P & R ????? The link below is what the USL is doing now for new stadiums to be built over the next couple of years....... whether right or wrong this is how Football is expanding in the professional environment US Football works. BTW the link is worth watching only 4 minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoRj6mjBeY&ab_channel=AFStadiums And yet, despite the billions of dollars spent they have 24 players in top 5 leagues, NO players even remotely in the top 200 current footballers, a national team who hasnt and wont win anything, a once powerful womens national team who is in steady decline as other countries around the world start realising the potential of womens sport.... But they are selling heaps of tickets and merchandise .... yay,,, sort of like baseball and gridiron almost... yay..... https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/nations/Big-5-European-Leagues-Nationalities All true.... I am not promoting the US system over P & R or anything else.... simply giving facts ... there are 30 MLS teams, 24 USL teams and they play mostly out of Football specific stadiums... In the MLS, currently 7 of the 30 stadiums are shared with other codes, and two of those seven are building or looking to build Football specific stadiums, The USL I don't know how many are shared I think its about 8 of the 24 are shared mostly with baseball teams. Just my opinion, its difficult to judge how successful or not the MLS is as it was less than six months away from bankruptcy in 2004.... they changed a lot of things they did and they are were they are today... personally I don't agree with a lot of what they do.... however its foolish to say they have achieved nothing . As I mentioned earlier, its impossible to hope in a time machine and go back to the mid 90's, when they had no national league, and the only way FIFA would award them the WC was to establish a national league, and that was the birth of the MLS.... could or would the growth have happened anyway... who knows except by 2004 they were broke and at one point down to 10 teams with one guy owing 7 clubs.... But back to my post, the USL has signed a deal with ESPN and other broadcasters, not sure for how much... thats there system.. It is extremely easy to judge how successful the MLS has or hasnt been Mid. Just look at the performances of their national teams compared to other national teams.
Its great that they are increasing the popularity of the sport over there and a small minority of people are profiting from this shift but football is popular all around the world, that is no achievement it just means they are finally waking up and joining the rest of the globe. They have developed less world class players over the past 20 years of their "professionalism" than such economic powerhouses like Mali, Cameroon, Ghana and Senegal... not mention countries with populations 1/100th of theirs ... Thats a huge FAIL for me. Based on NT performance sure. Based on kids running around playing football, team supporters having fun and all the rest of it does it really matter? If millions love it, play it and stadiums are full isn't that a success? 99/100 countries in the world ALREADY have this though Muz, what does the exorbitant Ponzi scheme have to do with anything? Junior Soccer was the most particpated sport activity in the US well before the MLS came along btw. Two things Basketball was and I think still is the most participated sport in the US. Its OK having the player numbers, and no idea if and when the investment into teams and stadiums would have taken place, without the MLS. You may call it Ponzi scheme, and many do, however the facts belie that, MLS revenue streams are huge....
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+xThe only way the MLS survived was a couple of billionaires bankrolled it for a few years and gifted stadiums to some of the franchises. One was Lamar Hunt, the other I forget. Hunt was also at the forefront of professional tennis and also heavily involved in gridiron I Very true, my understanding in 2004 the MLS was six months from being would up.... and at one stage one person owned 7 teams.... All this being true, and a very shaky start, today its booming..... revenues well over 2 billion, with over 12 million thu the gates...
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting news coming from the USA.... understanding the background helps in main part of the post.. Very brief background. The MLS is a privately owned company whose shareholders are its 30 clubs and is considered the .main US professional competition. The USL is another company with teams and it is considered the second competition a kinda second division.. League 1 is a kida third division. What separates these companies / leagues is essentially there stadium size and fan base size. Recently USL [United Soccer League] have been building new stadiums from 5k thu to 15K with most being in the 8 to 10 K size.... They also pay their players a reasonable amount. Lesson and background over . How does the above relate to the second tier or division in Australia... Simple USL just signed a major broadcast deal with ESPN, and will go into direct competition to the MLS. Imagine if JJ can get a broadcast deal ... very very very interesting article 27 Feb in the US so hot off the press.... https://awfulannouncing.com/soccer/usl-espn-cbs-media-rights-2024.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Very interesting Mid, thanks for posting. Can you imagine how much stronger American soccer could be if they where united rather than divided like this?
..... Yes and no, the investment made by the owners of both MLS & USL teams is in the multi billions, the key to the rise of Football in the US is their crowds, and the fact that most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium.... given the state of US Football to the mids 1990 when MLS was formed, and how MLS almost died, until around 2004 they decided to invest in their own stadiums. The simple truth, hhhhmmm maybe truth is the wrong word... however the time lines are quite clear, the MLS took off once they controlled and operated their own stadiums. Football prior to the MLS was a very very very small sport with the US sporting environment.... could Football be were it is today in the US without the investment in stadiums and teams, would the investment in stadiums and teams have been there with P & R ????? The link below is what the USL is doing now for new stadiums to be built over the next couple of years....... whether right or wrong this is how Football is expanding in the professional environment US Football works. BTW the link is worth watching only 4 minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoRj6mjBeY&ab_channel=AFStadiums "most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium" Source ? Heaps of info on this is not in one spot as far as I know. In the MLS they have 30 teams, New York share a Baseball stadium but are building their own in Queens. New England play in a Gridiron Stadium, but are looking for a site to build their own. Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, all share with Gridiron stadiums but crowds are high enough to warrant using these stadiums, Chicago, play out of a city owned gridiron stadium, today the Gridiron team has moved so they play in a city owned massive stadium 3 times to big for them. Vancover, play out of a gridiron stadium and are not looking to move, San Diego, a new team have the rights to a college Football stadium for all but 7 weeks of the year The other 22 stadiums are all Football specific and owned by MLS clubs, when NYFC and New England own their that will be 24 teams, San Diego effectively own theirs . Chicago have theirs even if the city own it is simply way way way to big, most see MLS owning or controlling 26 of their 30 stadiums. As a side note Miami are building a new 26 K stadium and giving the stadium in the link below to their womens team. If interested these are the MLS stadiums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3BvCoa_PFE&t=296s&ab_channel=TFCStadiums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Soccer_stadiumsI went to the first 8 and only 2 were club owned Feel free to check the other 21 Mate, no idea how wiki says that, but everything I have read says the clubs own or control their stadiums, they have often received assistance from local cities, and maybe some have long term leases to local cities... Even Fozzie used to talk about how the MLS were building their own stadiums.. This is a 2017 article and it gives some indication, but all their recent stadiums have been built by the clubs...since 2017 a number of stadiums have been built by there clubs.... BTW not saying they did not get help in building them... https://www.wcpo.com/news/government/local-politics/heres-how-much-other-cities-have-paid-to-help-build-mls-soccer-stadiums Easy, click on the stadium links. I don't know if wiki is 100% right or on the other hand any reason why it would be wrong, but it ties in with that article. and yes, I posted that article last time you made this claim about the MLS Many Local Authorities have been strongarmed into building expensive infrastructure at taxpayer expense and are now regretting it. Just to help I went onto I think the biggest Football Football Forum in the US and asked them... This is what Football fans in the US say.... I assume more comments will follow over the coming days, you can ask them if you like, or maybe the answers support your argument. https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/aussie-needs-forum-help.2129602/
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting news coming from the USA.... understanding the background helps in main part of the post.. Very brief background. The MLS is a privately owned company whose shareholders are its 30 clubs and is considered the .main US professional competition. The USL is another company with teams and it is considered the second competition a kinda second division.. League 1 is a kida third division. What separates these companies / leagues is essentially there stadium size and fan base size. Recently USL [United Soccer League] have been building new stadiums from 5k thu to 15K with most being in the 8 to 10 K size.... They also pay their players a reasonable amount. Lesson and background over . How does the above relate to the second tier or division in Australia... Simple USL just signed a major broadcast deal with ESPN, and will go into direct competition to the MLS. Imagine if JJ can get a broadcast deal ... very very very interesting article 27 Feb in the US so hot off the press.... https://awfulannouncing.com/soccer/usl-espn-cbs-media-rights-2024.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Very interesting Mid, thanks for posting. Can you imagine how much stronger American soccer could be if they where united rather than divided like this?
..... Yes and no, the investment made by the owners of both MLS & USL teams is in the multi billions, the key to the rise of Football in the US is their crowds, and the fact that most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium.... given the state of US Football to the mids 1990 when MLS was formed, and how MLS almost died, until around 2004 they decided to invest in their own stadiums. The simple truth, hhhhmmm maybe truth is the wrong word... however the time lines are quite clear, the MLS took off once they controlled and operated their own stadiums. Football prior to the MLS was a very very very small sport with the US sporting environment.... could Football be were it is today in the US without the investment in stadiums and teams, would the investment in stadiums and teams have been there with P & R ????? The link below is what the USL is doing now for new stadiums to be built over the next couple of years....... whether right or wrong this is how Football is expanding in the professional environment US Football works. BTW the link is worth watching only 4 minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoRj6mjBeY&ab_channel=AFStadiums And yet, despite the billions of dollars spent they have 24 players in top 5 leagues, NO players even remotely in the top 200 current footballers, a national team who hasnt and wont win anything, a once powerful womens national team who is in steady decline as other countries around the world start realising the potential of womens sport.... But they are selling heaps of tickets and merchandise .... yay,,, sort of like baseball and gridiron almost... yay..... https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/nations/Big-5-European-Leagues-Nationalities All true.... I am not promoting the US system over P & R or anything else.... simply giving facts ... there are 30 MLS teams, 24 USL teams and they play mostly out of Football specific stadiums... In the MLS, currently 7 of the 30 stadiums are shared with other codes, and two of those seven are building or looking to build Football specific stadiums, The USL I don't know how many are shared I think its about 8 of the 24 are shared mostly with baseball teams. Just my opinion, its difficult to judge how successful or not the MLS is as it was less than six months away from bankruptcy in 2004.... they changed a lot of things they did and they are were they are today... personally I don't agree with a lot of what they do.... however its foolish to say they have achieved nothing . As I mentioned earlier, its impossible to hope in a time machine and go back to the mid 90's, when they had no national league, and the only way FIFA would award them the WC was to establish a national league, and that was the birth of the MLS.... could or would the growth have happened anyway... who knows except by 2004 they were broke and at one point down to 10 teams with one guy owing 7 clubs.... But back to my post, the USL has signed a deal with ESPN and other broadcasters, not sure for how much... thats there system.. It is extremely easy to judge how successful the MLS has or hasnt been Mid. Just look at the performances of their national teams compared to other national teams.
Its great that they are increasing the popularity of the sport over there and a small minority of people are profiting from this shift but football is popular all around the world, that is no achievement it just means they are finally waking up and joining the rest of the globe. They have developed less world class players over the past 20 years of their "professionalism" than such economic powerhouses like Mali, Cameroon, Ghana and Senegal... not mention countries with populations 1/100th of theirs ... Thats a huge FAIL for me. Based on NT performance sure. Based on kids running around playing football, team supporters having fun and all the rest of it does it really matter? If millions love it, play it and stadiums are full isn't that a success? 99/100 countries in the world ALREADY have this though Muz, what does the exorbitant Ponzi scheme have to do with anything? Junior Soccer was the most particpated sport activity in the US well before the MLS came along btw. Two things Basketball was and I think still is the most participated sport in the US. Its OK having the player numbers, and no idea if and when the investment into teams and stadiums would have taken place, without the MLS. You may call it Ponzi scheme, and many do, however the facts belie that, MLS revenue streams are huge.... The revenue stream is huge because of the way it is set up mate..... The dollars and cents are massive Ive never argued otherwise... Yes it is a wonderful entertainment production for the paying customer, just like every aspect of life in the US they have found a way to make a shittonne of money from it, fantastic, Yes they have heaps of kids interested in playing the sport and paying through the nose to do so, great.... now what? Dont we ALL want a competitive football ecosystem generating players for the national teams so we can dominate on the world stage? From a purely sporting perspective.. you knjow, on the football pitch? The US (and their MLS - lite APL counterparts who have invested into our country) certainly doesn't seem to....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting news coming from the USA.... understanding the background helps in main part of the post.. Very brief background. The MLS is a privately owned company whose shareholders are its 30 clubs and is considered the .main US professional competition. The USL is another company with teams and it is considered the second competition a kinda second division.. League 1 is a kida third division. What separates these companies / leagues is essentially there stadium size and fan base size. Recently USL [United Soccer League] have been building new stadiums from 5k thu to 15K with most being in the 8 to 10 K size.... They also pay their players a reasonable amount. Lesson and background over . How does the above relate to the second tier or division in Australia... Simple USL just signed a major broadcast deal with ESPN, and will go into direct competition to the MLS. Imagine if JJ can get a broadcast deal ... very very very interesting article 27 Feb in the US so hot off the press.... https://awfulannouncing.com/soccer/usl-espn-cbs-media-rights-2024.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Very interesting Mid, thanks for posting. Can you imagine how much stronger American soccer could be if they where united rather than divided like this?
..... Yes and no, the investment made by the owners of both MLS & USL teams is in the multi billions, the key to the rise of Football in the US is their crowds, and the fact that most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium.... given the state of US Football to the mids 1990 when MLS was formed, and how MLS almost died, until around 2004 they decided to invest in their own stadiums. The simple truth, hhhhmmm maybe truth is the wrong word... however the time lines are quite clear, the MLS took off once they controlled and operated their own stadiums. Football prior to the MLS was a very very very small sport with the US sporting environment.... could Football be were it is today in the US without the investment in stadiums and teams, would the investment in stadiums and teams have been there with P & R ????? The link below is what the USL is doing now for new stadiums to be built over the next couple of years....... whether right or wrong this is how Football is expanding in the professional environment US Football works. BTW the link is worth watching only 4 minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoRj6mjBeY&ab_channel=AFStadiums And yet, despite the billions of dollars spent they have 24 players in top 5 leagues, NO players even remotely in the top 200 current footballers, a national team who hasnt and wont win anything, a once powerful womens national team who is in steady decline as other countries around the world start realising the potential of womens sport.... But they are selling heaps of tickets and merchandise .... yay,,, sort of like baseball and gridiron almost... yay..... https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/nations/Big-5-European-Leagues-Nationalities All true.... I am not promoting the US system over P & R or anything else.... simply giving facts ... there are 30 MLS teams, 24 USL teams and they play mostly out of Football specific stadiums... In the MLS, currently 7 of the 30 stadiums are shared with other codes, and two of those seven are building or looking to build Football specific stadiums, The USL I don't know how many are shared I think its about 8 of the 24 are shared mostly with baseball teams. Just my opinion, its difficult to judge how successful or not the MLS is as it was less than six months away from bankruptcy in 2004.... they changed a lot of things they did and they are were they are today... personally I don't agree with a lot of what they do.... however its foolish to say they have achieved nothing . As I mentioned earlier, its impossible to hope in a time machine and go back to the mid 90's, when they had no national league, and the only way FIFA would award them the WC was to establish a national league, and that was the birth of the MLS.... could or would the growth have happened anyway... who knows except by 2004 they were broke and at one point down to 10 teams with one guy owing 7 clubs.... But back to my post, the USL has signed a deal with ESPN and other broadcasters, not sure for how much... thats there system.. It is extremely easy to judge how successful the MLS has or hasnt been Mid. Just look at the performances of their national teams compared to other national teams.
Its great that they are increasing the popularity of the sport over there and a small minority of people are profiting from this shift but football is popular all around the world, that is no achievement it just means they are finally waking up and joining the rest of the globe. They have developed less world class players over the past 20 years of their "professionalism" than such economic powerhouses like Mali, Cameroon, Ghana and Senegal... not mention countries with populations 1/100th of theirs ... Thats a huge FAIL for me. Based on NT performance sure. Based on kids running around playing football, team supporters having fun and all the rest of it does it really matter? If millions love it, play it and stadiums are full isn't that a success? 99/100 countries in the world ALREADY have this though Muz, what does the exorbitant Ponzi scheme have to do with anything? Junior Soccer was the most particpated sport activity in the US well before the MLS came along btw. Zero to do with it but it works for them. Just like owning a fuckton of guns does. Everyone else thinks they're nuts but they don't see a problem. Exactly right. We are witnessing the "final days of Rome" here.. They have managed to take capitalism to its its ultimate zenith. The divide is growing day by day between those who can afford to eat, work, be educated, receive healthcare, expect to be safe in their homes and have access to recreational activities like football. They are the beacon of despair for a society which strives to appreciate beauty and freedom purely for the sake of freedom and beauty. Monetising, sport, arts, scientific endeavour and spirituality (religion) was a direct result of a new nation building itself out of a puritanical and colonial past and fearful of socialism and collectivism of any sort. Yes it certainly drives innovation and progress at a MUCH faster pace than socialism but at the expense of what? The American Dream (and Australian Dream for that matter) was once a driving force of an achievable comfortable future. A future filled with altruism, compassion and freedom from the oppression of the "old ways" of the haves and have nots. Think about something as fundamentally basic as the Olympic Oath Sport, any sport, by its truest nature is designed to be participated in "in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams"
Not "we made 7 gazillion dollars last year for the 7 shareholders of the MLS"
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Tasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter.
If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result.
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+xTasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter. If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result. Bloody unreal :)
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+xTasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter. If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result. instead of Canberra maybe or both in????
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+x+xTasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter. If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result. instead of Canberra maybe or both in???? NST - State govt backing of $10.5m over 5 years
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+x+xTasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter. If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result. instead of Canberra maybe or both in???? No this is for NSD mate, not Aleague.... I dont think Tassie is looking that far ahead yet... What ever happened to the Canberra franchise license that was "definitely being announced in Feb" btw?
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+x+x+xTasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter. If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result. instead of Canberra maybe or both in???? No this is for NSD mate, not Aleague.... I dont think Tassie is looking that far ahead yet... What ever happened to the Canberra franchise license that was "definitely being announced in Feb" btw? Look for an announcement around the same time as the Canberra Lebanon game.
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+xTasmania have just flagged interest and seem to have government backing according to leading Tassie sport journalist Brent Costelloe on twitter. If this is true, put down your glasses, because they will 100% be in, which is a great result. FMD it's a simple Tweet that says nothing of the sort Says only that there's now a consortium, and that they're asking for $10.5m  Nothing at all to even suggest they have Govt backing There's a State election coming right up and the Bid team has the former Labor Premier spruiking. That is ALL so far
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xInteresting news coming from the USA.... understanding the background helps in main part of the post.. Very brief background. The MLS is a privately owned company whose shareholders are its 30 clubs and is considered the .main US professional competition. The USL is another company with teams and it is considered the second competition a kinda second division.. League 1 is a kida third division. What separates these companies / leagues is essentially there stadium size and fan base size. Recently USL [United Soccer League] have been building new stadiums from 5k thu to 15K with most being in the 8 to 10 K size.... They also pay their players a reasonable amount. Lesson and background over . How does the above relate to the second tier or division in Australia... Simple USL just signed a major broadcast deal with ESPN, and will go into direct competition to the MLS. Imagine if JJ can get a broadcast deal ... very very very interesting article 27 Feb in the US so hot off the press.... https://awfulannouncing.com/soccer/usl-espn-cbs-media-rights-2024.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Very interesting Mid, thanks for posting. Can you imagine how much stronger American soccer could be if they where united rather than divided like this?
..... Yes and no, the investment made by the owners of both MLS & USL teams is in the multi billions, the key to the rise of Football in the US is their crowds, and the fact that most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium.... given the state of US Football to the mids 1990 when MLS was formed, and how MLS almost died, until around 2004 they decided to invest in their own stadiums. The simple truth, hhhhmmm maybe truth is the wrong word... however the time lines are quite clear, the MLS took off once they controlled and operated their own stadiums. Football prior to the MLS was a very very very small sport with the US sporting environment.... could Football be were it is today in the US without the investment in stadiums and teams, would the investment in stadiums and teams have been there with P & R ????? The link below is what the USL is doing now for new stadiums to be built over the next couple of years....... whether right or wrong this is how Football is expanding in the professional environment US Football works. BTW the link is worth watching only 4 minutes long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hoRj6mjBeY&ab_channel=AFStadiums "most of their teams own there own Football specific stadium" Source ? Heaps of info on this is not in one spot as far as I know. In the MLS they have 30 teams, New York share a Baseball stadium but are building their own in Queens. New England play in a Gridiron Stadium, but are looking for a site to build their own. Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, all share with Gridiron stadiums but crowds are high enough to warrant using these stadiums, Chicago, play out of a city owned gridiron stadium, today the Gridiron team has moved so they play in a city owned massive stadium 3 times to big for them. Vancover, play out of a gridiron stadium and are not looking to move, San Diego, a new team have the rights to a college Football stadium for all but 7 weeks of the year The other 22 stadiums are all Football specific and owned by MLS clubs, when NYFC and New England own their that will be 24 teams, San Diego effectively own theirs . Chicago have theirs even if the city own it is simply way way way to big, most see MLS owning or controlling 26 of their 30 stadiums. As a side note Miami are building a new 26 K stadium and giving the stadium in the link below to their womens team. If interested these are the MLS stadiums https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3BvCoa_PFE&t=296s&ab_channel=TFCStadiums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Soccer_stadiumsI went to the first 8 and only 2 were club owned Feel free to check the other 21 Mate, no idea how wiki says that, but everything I have read says the clubs own or control their stadiums, they have often received assistance from local cities, and maybe some have long term leases to local cities... Even Fozzie used to talk about how the MLS were building their own stadiums.. This is a 2017 article and it gives some indication, but all their recent stadiums have been built by the clubs...since 2017 a number of stadiums have been built by there clubs.... BTW not saying they did not get help in building them... https://www.wcpo.com/news/government/local-politics/heres-how-much-other-cities-have-paid-to-help-build-mls-soccer-stadiums Easy, click on the stadium links. I don't know if wiki is 100% right or on the other hand any reason why it would be wrong, but it ties in with that article. and yes, I posted that article last time you made this claim about the MLS Many Local Authorities have been strongarmed into building expensive infrastructure at taxpayer expense and are now regretting it. Just to help I went onto I think the biggest Football Football Forum in the US and asked them... This is what Football fans in the US say.... I assume more comments will follow over the coming days, you can ask them if you like, or maybe the answers support your argument. https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/aussie-needs-forum-help.2129602/ Thanks for the link, decent read. This quote got me, might be something we should aim to do here, if we aren't already: you'll hear about a master lease or primary tenant, which is who essentially has the right of first refusal to use the stadium and who everyone else builds their schedule around
I doubt we already have this though, we are the one's building fixtures around concerts and other sports!
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+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ?
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+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? It's Australian football, mate, this shit is always going to happen. Zero surprise from anyone but it was good to look forward to something with optimism.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? It's Australian football, mate, this shit is always going to happen. Zero surprise from anyone but it was good to look forward to something with optimism. A champions league with a league clubs and a year delay i can live with if that happens. It is better than a year delay with nothing or a champions league model indefinitely My worry is this becomes like a get smart skit of "would u believe" whittled down to nothing
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? It's Australian football, mate, this shit is always going to happen. Zero surprise from anyone but it was good to look forward to something with optimism. A champions league with a league clubs and a year delay i can live with if that happens. It is better than a year delay with nothing or a champions league model indefinitely My worry is this becomes like a get smart skit of "would u believe" whittled down to nothing What time of year for this champions league? Winter? I don't see how a champions league comp with A-League clubs can work, alongside a FA Cup competition. It has to be one or the other. Return of the end of season NPL Championship (extended version) It's all panned out as expected.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? It's Australian football, mate, this shit is always going to happen. Zero surprise from anyone but it was good to look forward to something with optimism. A champions league with a league clubs and a year delay i can live with if that happens. It is better than a year delay with nothing or a champions league model indefinitely My worry is this becomes like a get smart skit of "would u believe" whittled down to nothing So clubs that supposedly cant afford to travel around Australia to play in a second division will BE able to afford to travel around Australia to play in a Champions league??????
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+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? Don't you AT LEAST want to wait until the APL wins the war before you hold a victory parade?
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+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? This was a March 23 prediction of the 1 season delay that was announced in November 2023 So I reckon you're actually a bit late, I'd have claimed my super-powers 8 months ago
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+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? Don't you AT LEAST want to wait until the APL wins the war before you hold a victory parade? No victory parade for anyone. This "war" could see both sides "lose" It's only based on the financial realities I've seen. We could see the APL crumble and fall under the FA banner again. Some clubs may disappear being replaced potentially by a couple of NST clubs. FA well aware of this scenario. And that is part of the reason they haven't tried to make the NST work. 3 years tops.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? This was a March 23 prediction of the 1 season delay that was announced in November 2023 So I reckon you're actually a bit late, I'd have claimed my super-powers 8 months ago I'm sure I did somewhere say the FA will push the champions league scenario. And that would be it. I say "delay" as that is the narrative from FA/JJ. To keep the natives at bay. FA don't have the appetite to run a full blown H&A second division. That was well known behind the scenes a long time ago.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? This was a March 23 prediction of the 1 season delay that was announced in November 2023 So I reckon you're actually a bit late, I'd have claimed my super-powers 8 months ago FA don't have the appetite to run a full blown H&A second division. Would not surprise me. They've got the power to introduce a full pyramid, yet they still don't, year after year after year Football doesn't die, it'll just be different 
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+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? It's Australian football, mate, this shit is always going to happen. Zero surprise from anyone but it was good to look forward to something with optimism. This in a nutshell. You people who rejoice even though you say not so should be up in arms where our game is with the rest of us..... In the sink hole actually, 2024 FFS and here we are typical australia, stuck with the past that was all wrong yet we are meant to have progressed/learnt and matured 20+yrs on, no we haven't. A absolute POS Pro closed model that is running on fumes. A game below stuck in MUD. Sad very sad.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x24 clubs is pretty decent. A few years of P&R and hopefully the pool gets big enough to support 3 divisions Lets hope 2 divisions are viable first though... Be lucky to get a decent 8 out of that list. Kind of got feeling this won't be starting in 2024. which ones do you have doubts about? SU58 and suncoast (too small a population) are the only ones that stood out to me Well... I'd be only looking at the return of the NSL. Knights. South Preston Wolves Marconi Olympic. Can't see much from Brisbane. Not that I know the market well I always thought the Lions were the only one that could step up. The fact they haven't says a lot. These guys started the roar. So they know better about what they're getting into. Adelaide. Nothing exciting either. Adelaide City is not the City of old. Watch the rhetoric from JJ. Something along the lines of "we have delayed the beginning of the NST, until we work with the club's and prepare them better etc etc " Is it too early to say I told you so? Or should we wait for the FA/JJ press conference ? It's Australian football, mate, this shit is always going to happen. Zero surprise from anyone but it was good to look forward to something with optimism. This in a nutshell. You people who rejoice even though you say not so should be up in arms where our game is with the rest of us..... In the sink hole actually, 2024 FFS and here we are typical australia, stuck with the past that was all wrong yet we are meant to have progressed/learnt and matured 20+yrs on, no we haven't. A absolute POS Pro closed model that is running on fumes. A game below stuck in MUD. Sad very sad. It's not about rejoicing. I was arguing against this process because it was flawed from the very start. It "kept the natives happy" for 18months. No one questioned the process. The financials should've been the first thing discussed and a solution found. It wasn't. And now has led to the NST backburner. The FA was buying time. Clubs fell for it. The fans fell for it. JJ was different they said. He's here for football they said. No. It was just lip service. The financial model was never gonna let it work. That is what I was saying at the beginning of this process. I said we'd be lucky to find 8 out of the 32 applicants. I said the financial model implemented will cause it to fail. People were blinded by the oasis promised. I was up in arms about it early last year. You guys have now joined me.
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+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running. I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail.
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+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. designed to fail in what way ? Due to the criteria to be met by the Clubs ? The bond figure ? The countless other clause's ? The travel costs etc ? So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today.
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+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
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