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+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ I knew that it was designed to fail. How exactly was it 'designed to fail'?
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+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ I knew that it was designed to fail. How exactly was it 'designed to fail'? Simple. Build an inflexible model that is unattainable for most clubs. Or just about all clubs from the sounds of it. Why wasn't the model modified to ensure it was within reach for 10-12 clubs?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest Or maybe they HAVE accountants to advise them. The NSD is a positive thing and we have enough positive voices and energies to take it forward. So, you're negative. Cool. this is the direction we're moving in anyway... 32 clubs put their name forward. Let's focus on one who didn't......................................................................... yeahnah Not negative about the concept. I think we all want it to succeed. Pretty much just questioning the viability of the expectations put on the club's to get this up and running. $2M + per year??? There's hope and there is wishful thinking for these clubs. I think most of them fall into the category of wishful thinking that these figures are workable. Why are these financial figures "set in stone"? Is it setup to ensure a full league doesn't get off the ground?
Is JJ just paying lip service?
Does FA really want a full blown second tier of football?
Questions are being asked.
It's not negativity.
Time will tell.
But don't think we do not want this to happen.
As I said here. I was simply asking questions. But no one wanted to dig deep enough to see how it could work. Simply Trusted the FA, JJ and the process. Apparently I was naysayer and being negative. I just gathered all the information I could and saw it was destined to fail. The process needed to change course. But it did not. And here we are. I hope I am wrong. And this gets off the ground.
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+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ?
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+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
Where’s Johnson going? You seem to have inside information so you should be able to answer that question.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. Yeah im curious too. Apart from jj allegedly missing a meeting last week ive interpreted him as sincere but a bit inflexible. There seems to be other explanations 1) maybe jj saw the usa second teir and took some features there as inspiration 2) maybe the pfa put pressure for the model to be expensive as they had unrealistic wage demands 3) maybe he just was stubborn coz he thought there was no point having an nst that fell below a certain criteria. 4) maybe even if jj doesnt want an nst now, he might have due to the fa and apl split, but now the apl want the fa at least partially back he is losing interest
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There's barely enough funds available to keep the A-league afloat its very unlikely Australia could support another professional football league.
The A-league women is an additional cost of effectively another professional league without a return on investment.
A handful of clubs in Sydney and Melbourne could sustain professional wages for a time, but for how long and again, what's the point - we may as well just make the NSWPL professional optional and any ambitious young players make their way to Sydney for a pathway to the A-league or overseas.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. We don't know how much the models has changed since inception, given there were loose criteria outlined originally and don't know where it's at now For example we do know FA initially signalled Full Time Professional players, but we also know that Galatas (who keeps his cards close) has talked openly about the scenario of players at that level being better off playing part-time.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. I don't have disdain for FA or JJ. I just didn't trust them running this process when I started seeing the expected model and lack of flexibility. My starting position for most of these CEO types in football/sports is extremely sceptical and people only in it for themselves. From there, my respect for them is to be earnt through actions. Not words. I don't start with a messiah has arrived opinion only to be disappointed. If this process has been scuppered and put on the backburner then my fears have been justified. If it goes ahead in 2025 then he will have my respect. I've seen many of these CEO types get involved in our code and other sports, only for their own benefit. DT immediately comes to mind. I am happy to be proven wrong with JJ. But the jury is still out.
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+xThere's barely enough funds available to keep the A-league afloat its very unlikely Australia could support another professional football league. The NST clubs have survived 20 years in the wilderness. Suddenly deciding they are dependant on the APL's fortunes isn't fair. However if the FA transfer their NST budget to rescuing the Millionaires plaything, that dependancy may be created
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. Yeah im curious too. Apart from jj allegedly missing a meeting last week ive interpreted him as sincere but a bit inflexible. There seems to be other explanations 1) maybe jj saw the usa second teir and took some features there as inspiration 2) maybe the pfa put pressure for the model to be expensive as they had unrealistic wage demands 3) maybe he just was stubborn coz he thought there was no point having an nst that fell below a certain criteria. 4) maybe even if jj doesnt want an nst now, he might have due to the fa and apl split, but now the apl want the fa at least partially back he is losing interest 1. Yes. USA 2nd tier is one to look at. But I believe that didn't start fully pro. It evolved. 2.yes. PFA would be unrealistic and demanding. JJs relationship with BB may have kept this in place. 3. If that's the case, it should've been spelt out from day one. 4. Possible. But the APL have been struggling for a couple of years. FA is a stakeholder, so they will know the financial plight of the APL
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. Yeah im curious too. Apart from jj allegedly missing a meeting last week ive interpreted him as sincere but a bit inflexible. There seems to be other explanations 1) maybe jj saw the usa second teir and took some features there as inspiration 2) maybe the pfa put pressure for the model to be expensive as they had unrealistic wage demands 3) maybe he just was stubborn coz he thought there was no point having an nst that fell below a certain criteria. 4) maybe even if jj doesnt want an nst now, he might have due to the fa and apl split, but now the apl want the fa at least partially back he is losing interest I don’t think he’s losing interest in anything that will move Australian football closer to the establishment of a pyramid but, as close followers of the game well know, many obstacles need to be overcome. I think he sees this as a challenge but is confident in his ability to achieve it.
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+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ I knew that it was designed to fail. How exactly was it 'designed to fail'? Simple. Build an inflexible model that is unattainable for most clubs. Or just about all clubs from the sounds of it. Why wasn't the model modified to ensure it was within reach for 10-12 clubs? Because where does the money come from? It's all well and good for APL to potentially subsidise it (more) - that might even have been an option if they hadn't squandered all the money - but in the long run there has to be a balance between what the clubs put in, and what the league can put in - which would depend on sponsorship/media interest in the long run. The criteria/model was worked on for a long time and is probably fairly realistic for a semi-pro nation-wide league. Everything has also gotten much more expensive since this concept began life a few years ago - and the financial gap between NPL clubs and A League clubs continues to widen. I'm only a little surprised it hasn't gotten up, but I was banking on it failing after a season or two when some clubs began to struggle. Those who thought we could have P/R to the a league in 5 years time are in lala land - it would be a death sentence for any npl club getting promoted to the a league - especially this season (perhaps with the exception of one or two).
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. I don't have disdain for FA or JJ. I just didn't trust them running this process when I started seeing the expected model and lack of flexibility. My starting position for most of these CEO types in football/sports is extremely sceptical and people only in it for themselves. From there, my respect for them is to be earnt through actions. Not words. I don't start with a messiah has arrived opinion only to be disappointed. If this process has been scuppered and put on the backburner then my fears have been justified. If it goes ahead in 2025 then he will have my respect. I've seen many of these CEO types get involved in our code and other sports, only for their own benefit. DT immediately comes to mind. I am happy to be proven wrong with JJ. But the jury is still out. What exactly has he done or not done so far that makes you so sceptical of his intentions?
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I made a reddit thread gauging a league fans opinions of the nst as well as a roar article arguing why the nsl did better at youth development (it is less data heavy than i wanted it to be to make it readable but i backed things with evidence where i could)
While the comments are kind and polite ive been struck by the remarkable bias against non a league clubs. It reminds me of the polite conversations i have had about universal health care with us republicans. People are remarkably reluctant to credit nsl with anything even though it seems fairly obvious that starting the a league with no junior teams, cutting the number of aussies starting from 154 to 42, cutting the nyl from a home and away season and severely reducing the number of youth internationals should have some effect.
On the reddit thread ive been struck by how some dont just want the fa minimum criteria with no flexibility to get it over the line, but would rather no nst at all even with it being at the clubs expense
I think ive radically underestimated the level of bias on the a league side of the bitter divide in football and i want to apologize for this blind spot on my behalf!
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. I don't have disdain for FA or JJ. I just didn't trust them running this process when I started seeing the expected model and lack of flexibility. My starting position for most of these CEO types in football/sports is extremely sceptical and people only in it for themselves. From there, my respect for them is to be earnt through actions. Not words. I don't start with a messiah has arrived opinion only to be disappointed. If this process has been scuppered and put on the backburner then my fears have been justified. If it goes ahead in 2025 then he will have my respect. I've seen many of these CEO types get involved in our code and other sports, only for their own benefit. DT immediately comes to mind. I am happy to be proven wrong with JJ. But the jury is still out. Perfectly reasonable position to take and you have every right to be sceptical.... I agree the jury is well and truly out... lets wait till something comes from FA though before we jump on every APL shill's "breaking news story" though eh?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
Where’s Johnson going? You seem to have inside information so you should be able to answer that question. There was some sort of rumour a year or two ago that someone wanted to poach him/heading back to FIFA in Europe. Don't know if this is the same thing Butler is talking about.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. I don't have disdain for FA or JJ. I just didn't trust them running this process when I started seeing the expected model and lack of flexibility. My starting position for most of these CEO types in football/sports is extremely sceptical and people only in it for themselves. From there, my respect for them is to be earnt through actions. Not words. I don't start with a messiah has arrived opinion only to be disappointed. If this process has been scuppered and put on the backburner then my fears have been justified. If it goes ahead in 2025 then he will have my respect. I've seen many of these CEO types get involved in our code and other sports, only for their own benefit. DT immediately comes to mind. I am happy to be proven wrong with JJ. But the jury is still out. Perfectly reasonable position to take and you have every right to be sceptical.... I agree the jury is well and truly out... lets wait till something comes from FA though before we jump on every APL shill's "breaking news story" though eh? Yes. Indeed. Eagerly awaiting comment from JJ on this. A statement needs to be made. I fear, The APL fan boys will have their tails between their legs in the not too distant future.
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+xThere's barely enough funds available to keep the A-league afloat its very unlikely Australia could support another professional football league. The A-league women is an additional cost of effectively another professional league without a return on investment. A handful of clubs in Sydney and Melbourne could sustain professional wages for a time, but for how long and again, what's the point - we may as well just make the NSWPL professional optional and any ambitious young players make their way to Sydney for a pathway to the A-league or overseas. Funds? The Championship clubs just need exactly $1 more in reveniew per year than they spend to stay in the black.... Where not talking failing APL franchises here....
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. I don't have disdain for FA or JJ. I just didn't trust them running this process when I started seeing the expected model and lack of flexibility. My starting position for most of these CEO types in football/sports is extremely sceptical and people only in it for themselves. From there, my respect for them is to be earnt through actions. Not words. I don't start with a messiah has arrived opinion only to be disappointed. If this process has been scuppered and put on the backburner then my fears have been justified. If it goes ahead in 2025 then he will have my respect. I've seen many of these CEO types get involved in our code and other sports, only for their own benefit. DT immediately comes to mind. I am happy to be proven wrong with JJ. But the jury is still out. Perfectly reasonable position to take and you have every right to be sceptical.... I agree the jury is well and truly out... lets wait till something comes from FA though before we jump on every APL shill's "breaking news story" though eh? Yes. Indeed. Eagerly awaiting comment from JJ on this. A statement needs to be made. I fear, The APL fan boys will have their tails between their legs in the not too distant future. Whats your prediction regarding the apl?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. Yeah im curious too. Apart from jj allegedly missing a meeting last week ive interpreted him as sincere but a bit inflexible. There seems to be other explanations 1) maybe jj saw the usa second teir and took some features there as inspiration 2) maybe the pfa put pressure for the model to be expensive as they had unrealistic wage demands 3) maybe he just was stubborn coz he thought there was no point having an nst that fell below a certain criteria. 4) maybe even if jj doesnt want an nst now, he might have due to the fa and apl split, but now the apl want the fa at least partially back he is losing interest 1. Yes. USA 2nd tier is one to look at. But I believe that didn't start fully pro. It evolved. 2.yes. PFA would be unrealistic and demanding. JJs relationship with BB may have kept this in place. 3. If that's the case, it should've been spelt out from day one. 4. Possible. But the APL have been struggling for a couple of years. FA is a stakeholder, so they will know the financial plight of the APL Im pretty sure he did mate... A nationwide club licensing standard is one of the core XI principles they have been going on about for ages isnt it?
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+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ I knew that it was designed to fail. How exactly was it 'designed to fail'? Simple. Build an inflexible model that is unattainable for most clubs. Or just about all clubs from the sounds of it. Why wasn't the model modified to ensure it was within reach for 10-12 clubs? Because where does the money come from? It's all well and good for APL to potentially subsidise it (more) - that might even have been an option if they hadn't squandered all the money - but in the long run there has to be a balance between what the clubs put in, and what the league can put in - which would depend on sponsorship/media interest in the long run. The criteria/model was worked on for a long time and is probably fairly realistic for a semi-pro nation-wide league. Everything has also gotten much more expensive since this concept began life a few years ago - and the financial gap between NPL clubs and A League clubs continues to widen. I'm only a little surprised it hasn't gotten up, but I was banking on it failing after a season or two when some clubs began to struggle. Those who thought we could have P/R to the a league in 5 years time are in lala land - it would be a death sentence for any npl club getting promoted to the a league - especially this season (perhaps with the exception of one or two). There is NO pro/rel to Aleague and never has it been on the table... Financial modelling and criteria where laid out in November last year so not sure what has changed since then economically in your view?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. Yeah im curious too. Apart from jj allegedly missing a meeting last week ive interpreted him as sincere but a bit inflexible. There seems to be other explanations 1) maybe jj saw the usa second teir and took some features there as inspiration 2) maybe the pfa put pressure for the model to be expensive as they had unrealistic wage demands 3) maybe he just was stubborn coz he thought there was no point having an nst that fell below a certain criteria. 4) maybe even if jj doesnt want an nst now, he might have due to the fa and apl split, but now the apl want the fa at least partially back he is losing interest 1. Yes. USA 2nd tier is one to look at. But I believe that didn't start fully pro. It evolved. 2.yes. PFA would be unrealistic and demanding. JJs relationship with BB may have kept this in place. 3. If that's the case, it should've been spelt out from day one. 4. Possible. But the APL have been struggling for a couple of years. FA is a stakeholder, so they will know the financial plight of the APL Im pretty sure he did mate... A nationwide club licensing standard is one of the core XI principles they have been going on about for ages isnt it? Im curious how the us second teir started? If we imitated their model heavily it would explain some of the decisions. Did they have some licensing standard
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+xI made a reddit thread gauging a league fans opinions of the nst as well as a roar article arguing why the nsl did better at youth development (it is less data heavy than i wanted it to be to make it readable but i backed things with evidence where i could) While the comments are kind and polite ive been struck by the remarkable bias against non a league clubs. It reminds me of the polite conversations i have had about universal health care with us republicans. People are remarkably reluctant to credit nsl with anything even though it seems fairly obvious that starting the a league with no junior teams, cutting the number of aussies starting from 154 to 42, cutting the nyl from a home and away season and severely reducing the number of youth internationals should have some effect. On the reddit thread ive been struck by how some dont just want the fa minimum criteria with no flexibility to get it over the line, but would rather no nst at all even with it being at the clubs expense I think ive radically underestimated the level of bias on the a league side of the bitter divide in football and i want to apologize for this blind spot on my behalf! Apology accepted...... :P
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+xIt's to political for me I'm staying out of this ??? Where is the politics mate?
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xIn the big picture looking at all this just really shows no matter the good points finally having a Pro comp and more, drew new crowds originally and money a closed comp has been a experiment that has failed the game down to grass roots where it all begins in the first place. The lack of considering this only to focus on the top has come to bite the outset of the game overall to move ahead together and develop links top to bottom as normally occurs. It no matter right and wrong before NSL this is the now and past 17yrs. NST will have its hurdles a plenty and to look to build below even more, its a absolute mess trying to move ahead due to all the barriers and motives from one level of admin to another. Mosh pit and a half. A closed comp has been in play longer than the 17 years the A-league has been in place. By and large the NSL was a closed comp as well. The challenges the aleague faces is not due to it being a closed comp. That's just an argument for people with an agenda. The expectations of the NST will practically rule out all NPL clubs. There'll be applicants I have no doubt. But most of them will be dreamers like the west Adelaide and Freo A-league bids back in 2018. An NST can be implemented, but the expectations need to be reduced because it is important to get it up and running. But I don't think the powers that be are that keen to implement it. Regardless of the rhetoric coming from JJ As I said here... expectations need to be reduced to get the NST up and running.
I was never against the NST. I knew that it was designed to fail. So you read between the lines long ago the FA/JJ co ordinated and implemented a "vision" (designed to fail) to buy time back then and have predicted or visioned by X year they will press the GO button to free australian football in some new era ? I don't know who to believe today. What exactly are you asking here with this paragraph? I don't think they want an NST. period. And as it seems now, they can't implement a NST if they don't have viable clubs. JJ can pat himself on the back and say "I tried" As I said earlier, I expect FA will take back the A-league. Perhaps integrate a couple of more ambitious clubs. And move on.. Will push the need for an NST further down the road. When JJ won't be around. And this process is a distant memory...
pretty much what you have been quoting, I wasn't asking anything but saying what you have read between the tea leaves. You sourced whatever info you could. The criteria was inflexible and designed to fail. The messiah planned it this way. I still think your happy about it overall. Seeing your posting with confidence, tell us how you see the FA taking back the AL ? I am not happy about it not getting off the ground. With my posts from last year I have repeatedly said I want it to happen. What pisses me off the most is the time wasted on this process, and people in charge at FA not doing what is possible to ensure it works. But clubs should've pushed hard on modifying the model. There is some satisfaction in knowing this all along and it finally getting to the part I said it would. (Almost there) But I wasn't saying it with glee. I was saying it as a warning. Once again, I hope I'm wrong. Hopefully it's only a bump in the road FA taking back the APL. No tv deal for standalone APL when current broadcast rights end. Will need to come back under FA. 3 years tops. Your disdain for Football Australia, James Johnson in particular, is apparent in all of your post, perhaps you could enlighten me as to why you feel this way. I find Johnson to be methodical and risk-averse, this approach means that actions and decisions take some time to be reached. You may be right and it will all come to nought but I don’t think you can accuse him of being anything other than prudent. I don't have disdain for FA or JJ. I just didn't trust them running this process when I started seeing the expected model and lack of flexibility. My starting position for most of these CEO types in football/sports is extremely sceptical and people only in it for themselves. From there, my respect for them is to be earnt through actions. Not words. I don't start with a messiah has arrived opinion only to be disappointed. If this process has been scuppered and put on the backburner then my fears have been justified. If it goes ahead in 2025 then he will have my respect. I've seen many of these CEO types get involved in our code and other sports, only for their own benefit. DT immediately comes to mind. I am happy to be proven wrong with JJ. But the jury is still out. Perfectly reasonable position to take and you have every right to be sceptical.... I agree the jury is well and truly out... lets wait till something comes from FA though before we jump on every APL shill's "breaking news story" though eh? Yes. Indeed. Eagerly awaiting comment from JJ on this. A statement needs to be made. I fear, The APL fan boys will have their tails between their legs in the not too distant future. From your lips to God's ears.... hahahahahaahahaahahah Apparently there is a meeting on tomorrow, lets hope for some decent news after that although I have been told not to expect anything till August.... Or we can all lose our heads about the inevitable next Vince Rugari "APL invented Pro relegation and is expanding by 6 clubs" article. hahahahaha
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+x+xI made a reddit thread gauging a league fans opinions of the nst as well as a roar article arguing why the nsl did better at youth development (it is less data heavy than i wanted it to be to make it readable but i backed things with evidence where i could) While the comments are kind and polite ive been struck by the remarkable bias against non a league clubs. It reminds me of the polite conversations i have had about universal health care with us republicans. People are remarkably reluctant to credit nsl with anything even though it seems fairly obvious that starting the a league with no junior teams, cutting the number of aussies starting from 154 to 42, cutting the nyl from a home and away season and severely reducing the number of youth internationals should have some effect. On the reddit thread ive been struck by how some dont just want the fa minimum criteria with no flexibility to get it over the line, but would rather no nst at all even with it being at the clubs expense I think ive radically underestimated the level of bias on the a league side of the bitter divide in football and i want to apologize for this blind spot on my behalf! Apology accepted...... :P Thanks mate if i visit melbpurne again lets go to a south melbourne game ;)
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