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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then.
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+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. It's not a question of not believing the victims. The evidence was purely hearsay. The public wanted a conviction so Pell became the scapegoat.. Pell may have been handed his cross by God. This may be the cross he needs to bear. We will never know. But do not be surprised that this conviction could be overturned. Cui Bono! He has been accused as being a Pedophile. And yet he is only accused of abusing 2 boys in a very brief period. I find this very hard to believe. There would surely be more victims but there are none. Also, a Jury had previously found him NOT GUILTY 10 votes to 2, before this Jury was dismissed by the crown and another set up. Why?In addition, if he was guilty, he would not have come to Australia and face the charges. He came because he thought he could defend his reputation. In addition, the Vatican has not dismissed Cardinal Pell either, which to me indicated they are not impressed. I believe Pell is innocent. That's simply not true so stop lying. It has been rumoured that the jurors in the mistrial were split 10-to-two in favour of Pell. Is this right?This is an unverified rumour with no credible source. There have been plenty of other rumours about the split in the mistrial, including that it was more even. The weight of the split makes no difference. The law requires a unanimous or 11-to-one verdict, and anything else results in a mistrial. The chief judge is not told of the split and he made it clear he did not want to know. Any juror who reveals the split breaks the law.The mistrial split is also irrelevant in the appeal court. In the retrial, both parties may learn from their mistakes, change their approach and refine their arguments. It would be unfair to then judge the verdict in a retrial against the verdict in the mistrial. In Pell’s retrial, witnesses were dropped by mutual agreement of both parties, and Richter added a power point presentation to his defence. One new witness was added. It was similar, but not the same, as the first.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-conviction-the-questions-that-remain
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+x+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy... I only disrespect and hate people who strawman and move the goal posts because they can't win a debate fairly. I also hate pedo apologists and pedo defenders.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187
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+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. It's not a question of not believing the victims. The evidence was purely hearsay. The public wanted a conviction so Pell became the scapegoat.. Pell may have been handed his cross by God. This may be the cross he needs to bear. We will never know. But do not be surprised that this conviction could be overturned. Cui Bono! He has been accused as being a Pedophile. And yet he is only accused of abusing 2 boys in a very brief period. I find this very hard to believe. There would surely be more victims but there are none. Also, a Jury had previously found him NOT GUILTY 10 votes to 2, before this Jury was dismissed by the crown and another set up. Why?In addition, if he was guilty, he would not have come to Australia and face the charges. He came because he thought he could defend his reputation. In addition, the Vatican has not dismissed Cardinal Pell either, which to me indicated they are not impressed. I believe Pell is innocent. That's simply not true so stop lying. It has been rumoured that the jurors in the mistrial were split 10-to-two in favour of Pell. Is this right?This is an unverified rumour with no credible source. There have been plenty of other rumours about the split in the mistrial, including that it was more even. The weight of the split makes no difference. The law requires a unanimous or 11-to-one verdict, and anything else results in a mistrial. The chief judge is not told of the split and he made it clear he did not want to know. Any juror who reveals the split breaks the law.The mistrial split is also irrelevant in the appeal court. In the retrial, both parties may learn from their mistakes, change their approach and refine their arguments. It would be unfair to then judge the verdict in a retrial against the verdict in the mistrial. In Pell’s retrial, witnesses were dropped by mutual agreement of both parties, and Richter added a power point presentation to his defence. One new witness was added. It was similar, but not the same, as the first.https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-conviction-the-questions-that-remain You can run to The Guardian but you can't hide. The Vatican has the best lawyers and the ability to hang you all by your petards! https://catholiccitizens.org/news/82669/the-case-against-cardinal-george-pell-new-details-emerge/
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+x+x+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy... I only disrespect and hate people who strawman and move the goal posts because they can't win a debate fairly. I also hate pedo apologists and pedo defenders. There are no straw-men here mate. Just pure love towards you and prayer! Even if you do continue to make false accusations against us.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy... I only disrespect and hate people who strawman and move the goal posts because they can't win a debate fairly. I also hate pedo apologists and pedo defenders. There are no straw-men here mate. Just pure love towards you and prayer! Even if you do continue to make false accusations against us. I wasn't talking about here. I was talking about people I hate. And I don't want love and prayers from someone who is defending a convicted pedo.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. That is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to come, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. And yes, it was reported in 2017 and it is also written in Louise Milligan's book as well.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xI hope that one day you do open your eyes and heart and strive to learn. You have nothing to lose. Go to Israel and follow the steps of the Lord, feel the power, the love, and learn the history. It is the greatest advice anyone can give you. Let go of the earthly things and yearn to be a spiritual person. Psychiatry is a powerful word and has much greater meaning than most people know or even care about. It's a Medical Science - with religious connotations. Psyche in Ancient Greek means soul. Today we talk about mental health but we have lost the meaning of what is necessary to be mentally healthy. We have even lost its meaning. It's the health of the soul. Our Lord is the greatest Physician to have walked the planet. Today we have record levels of suicide and mental illness. I don't give a fuck. Stop preaching your bullshit to me. No one is preaching to you or trying to change you. You need to do this yourself and want to change. It would be incredibly remiss of me if I do not show you love no matter how disrespectful and obnoxious you are. That is what the Lord teaches us. The irony of you calling someone disrespectful and obnoxious. You have been preaching to me and Muz on multiple occasions in this thread. Yes you are disrespectful, and obnoxious. You are also full of hatred and sarcasm. But I am still suppose to extend a warm and loving hand towards you and I will do that without reservation. Love your enemy... I only disrespect and hate people who strawman and move the goal posts because they can't win a debate fairly. I also hate pedo apologists and pedo defenders. There are no straw-men here mate. Just pure love towards you and prayer! Even if you do continue to make false accusations against us. I wasn't talking about here. I was talking about people I hate. And I don't want love and prayers from someone who is defending a convicted pedo. Yes you do! Everyone needs it including me. Just shoosh because if someone is prepared to pray for you, they are doing a very good thing. You should remove the hate from your life. It will consume you in the end. Also desist with making false accusations. It's not good.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse".
This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse".
This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed. It was only reported by one Catholic source which is why I am sceptical. If it was reported by mainstream media, then I would believe it. Even if the phrase 'reportedly' was used by mainstream media, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. If it was 100% true, then the word 'reportedly' wouldn't have been true.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse".
This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed. It was only reported by one Catholic source which is why I am sceptical. If it was reported by mainstream media, then I would believe it. Even if the phrase 'reportedly' was used by mainstream media, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. If it was 100% true, then the word 'reportedly' wouldn't have been true. No I meant even mainstream media reported that George Pell reportedly molested a kid. I'm just saying it goes both ways. Anyways overall there is no worse crime then peadophillea and anyone who is rightfully convicted of this crime, and even those who have got away with it will rot in hell. My only issue with people is when these crimes are seen as a Christianity thing, when in fact it is individuals committing these crimes, and even if as an institution if true that the Vatican covers these crimes up, they too don't represent every single Christian denomination, or even those believers inside their church. This is why I hate when people swear about God, Jesus, and paint all priests with the same brush. And I'm not accusing you of doing this just people in general.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse".
This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed. It was only reported by one Catholic source which is why I am sceptical. If it was reported by mainstream media, then I would believe it. Even if the phrase 'reportedly' was used by mainstream media, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. If it was 100% true, then the word 'reportedly' wouldn't have been true. It was only picked up by the catholic Source. It was actually reported by The Age first, then SMH and ABC. And also reported in Louise Milligan's book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal Pell
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse".
This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed. It was only reported by one Catholic source which is why I am sceptical. If it was reported by mainstream media, then I would believe it. Even if the phrase 'reportedly' was used by mainstream media, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. If it was 100% true, then the word 'reportedly' wouldn't have been true. No I meant even mainstream media reported that George Pell reportedly molested a kid. I'm just saying it goes both ways. Anyways overall there is no worse crime then peadophillea and anyone who is rightfully convicted of this crime, and even those who have got away with it will rot in hell. My only issue with people is when these crimes are seen as a Christianity thing, when in fact it is individuals committing these crimes, and even if as an institution if true that the Vatican covers these crimes up, they too don't represent every single Christian denomination, or even those believers inside their church. This is why I hate when people swear about God, Jesus, and paint all priests with the same brush. And I'm not accusing you of doing this just people in general. Agree with that and fair enough. It's completely unfair to judge a whole religion over the actions of a few individuals. However, many members of the church have attempted to cover up abuse which is an issue the church needs to address which is what I think Muz was eluding to.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that. I've been reading reviews of the book. The book certainly shows that Pell has a history of abusing kids and covering it up. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/explosive-book-back-on-the-shelves-after-george-pell-verdict-20190226-p510bi.htmlhttps://books.google.com.au/books/about/Cardinal.html?id=2d2rAQAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y
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Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that. Turns out he did do that but you're being very disingenuous by not including all of the details. "One of the accusers was drunk and upset, the court heard, and made allegations about abuse by Cardinal Pell, now 76, happening at a pool in country Victoria. However, the woman’s son himself failed to tell the group of his own alleged abuse, only making a police statement later, and instead “laughed”, the court heard. “It wasn’t a council of war about what to do … was it?” Mr Richter asked. The mother replied: “No.” Later, the sister of an alleged victim told how her brother drunkenly confided in her about alleged abuse by the Cardinal. “He said it was a bishop when he was in the choir … and he said it was ‘—-ing George Pell’.”
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/03/23/cardinal-george-pell-mother-changed-statement/
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse".
This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed. It was only reported by one Catholic source which is why I am sceptical. If it was reported by mainstream media, then I would believe it. Even if the phrase 'reportedly' was used by mainstream media, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. If it was 100% true, then the word 'reportedly' wouldn't have been true. No I meant even mainstream media reported that George Pell reportedly molested a kid. I'm just saying it goes both ways. Anyways overall there is no worse crime then peadophillea and anyone who is rightfully convicted of this crime, and even those who have got away with it will rot in hell. My only issue with people is when these crimes are seen as a Christianity thing, when in fact it is individuals committing these crimes, and even if as an institution if true that the Vatican covers these crimes up, they too don't represent every single Christian denomination, or even those believers inside their church. This is why I hate when people swear about God, Jesus, and paint all priests with the same brush. And I'm not accusing you of doing this just people in general. Agree with that and fair enough. It's completely unfair to judge a whole religion over the actions of a few individuals. However, many members of the church have attempted to cover up abuse which is an issue the church needs to address which is what I think Muz was eluding to. There is no evidence that many members tried to cover anything up. There are allegations that Archbishop Pell tried to protect the Church from any fallout through The Melbourne Project but it wasn't an attempt to cover anything up.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that. I've been reading reviews of the book. The book certainly shows that Pell has a history of abusing kids and covering it up. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/explosive-book-back-on-the-shelves-after-george-pell-verdict-20190226-p510bi.htmlhttps://books.google.com.au/books/about/Cardinal.html?id=2d2rAQAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y No it doesn't! It doesn't show anything of the sort. The book is about The Melbourne Project, not about Pell abusing children.
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This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. You know very well every source will use the word ' reportedly' regardless of it being mainstream media or not. You asked for a source and mouflonrouge provided you with one. You can't just disregard it because it doesn't tell the story you want told. I don't know if Pell will win this case and have the guilty sentence overturned. But if it is overturned in court my questionto you is would you then accept that ruling and consider him innocent, or would you stick to your guns and claim he is guilty? And don't forget that the case is far from over. There will be an appeal and only then if still found guilty will this be the final say and case closed. It was only reported by one Catholic source which is why I am sceptical. If it was reported by mainstream media, then I would believe it. Even if the phrase 'reportedly' was used by mainstream media, it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. If it was 100% true, then the word 'reportedly' wouldn't have been true. No I meant even mainstream media reported that George Pell reportedly molested a kid. I'm just saying it goes both ways. Anyways overall there is no worse crime then peadophillea and anyone who is rightfully convicted of this crime, and even those who have got away with it will rot in hell. My only issue with people is when these crimes are seen as a Christianity thing, when in fact it is individuals committing these crimes, and even if as an institution if true that the Vatican covers these crimes up, they too don't represent every single Christian denomination, or even those believers inside their church. This is why I hate when people swear about God, Jesus, and paint all priests with the same brush. And I'm not accusing you of doing this just people in general. Agree with that and fair enough. It's completely unfair to judge a whole religion over the actions of a few individuals. However, many members of the church have attempted to cover up abuse which is an issue the church needs to address which is what I think Muz was eluding to. There is no evidence that many members tried to cover anything up. There are allegations that Archbishop Pell tried to protect the Church from any fallout through The Melbourne Project but it wasn't an attempt to cover anything up. I wasn't referring to this case. I said that it happens and it's an issue the church needs to address.
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Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that. I've been reading reviews of the book. The book certainly shows that Pell has a history of abusing kids and covering it up. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/explosive-book-back-on-the-shelves-after-george-pell-verdict-20190226-p510bi.htmlhttps://books.google.com.au/books/about/Cardinal.html?id=2d2rAQAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y No it doesn't! It doesn't show anything of the sort. The book is about The Melbourne Project, not about Pell abusing children. Yes it is which is why the book wasn't on sale in Victoria until the trial was over.
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Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that. Turns out he did do that but you're being very disingenuous by not including all of the details. "One of the accusers was drunk and upset, the court heard, and made allegations about abuse by Cardinal Pell, now 76, happening at a pool in country Victoria. However, the woman’s son himself failed to tell the group of his own alleged abuse, only making a police statement later, and instead “laughed”, the court heard. “It wasn’t a council of war about what to do … was it?” Mr Richter asked. The mother replied: “No.” Later, the sister of an alleged victim told how her brother drunkenly confided in her about alleged abuse by the Cardinal. “He said it was a bishop when he was in the choir … and he said it was ‘—-ing George Pell’.”
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/explosive-book-back-on-the-shelves-after-george-pell-verdict-20190226-p510bi.html
These were not even in court so again, you are throwing around unproven dirt. If there was any proof of this, it would have gotten to court but the accusations turtned out to be false or were withdrawn. I am talking about one of the Choir Boys who as it turns out admitted to Mum that Pell did not commit any abuse.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xHas anyone ever claimed every single Catholic is a paedophile? Yes scroll up and find out for yourself. This whole debate didn't just start out of nowhere, and pretty much started by the view of some who believe Christianity should be wiped out, and the reasons for that pretty much because the whole idea is bullshit, and also because of certain priests who have committed crimes and therefore if they do that then the church should be closed down. It also seems normal to many these days to believe the words of a man claiming he got molested by George Pell, however at the same time it's evil for anyone to think George Pell didn't actually do it. None of us know 100% if he is guilty or not and at the end of the day it comes down to each and everyone's personal opinion. Personally the evidence given on Pell is weak as fuck in my opinion especially the claim that the molesting occurred straight after mass which is pretty fucking laughable considering the amount of people around at that time. But anyways that's another matter my point is everyone's got an opinion and no one knows who's right or wrong 100%. Anyways I'm not saying you're one who wants Christianity banned, but that is what others claimed in this thread, hense why mouflonrouge is coming out defending the religion, and not necessarily someone who is guilty of a crime. Because he was found guilty in a court of law. Saying he didn't do it and not believing the victims makes it even harder for the victims to speak out. It's hard enough to speak out about being abused without being attacked for doing so. If the victims are being shamed for speaking out, less victims are going to speak out and more pedo's are going to get away with their crimes. So what, were you only born yesterday? You do realise there is thousands of cases around the world where people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit. The evidence wasn't that strong at all and basically the jury had to make a decision. Also the decision has been appealed so it isn't completely finished even though Pell has been sentenced. Honestly I wouldn't have a go at you thinking he is guilty as you're entitled to go with your instincts but so are those who believe he is innocent. That's all I'm saying and I don't think you can disagree with that surely. There are rare instances where innocent people are locked up. However in this case, the jury had little doubt about Pell's guilt. If one of the jury was somehow biased, they'd have to somehow convince the rest of the jury to side with them. And how did they base this judgment? On what evidence? Where is the smoking gun. They took the testimony of 1 person and another who is no longer alive and who also admitted to their Mother that he lied and that Cardinal Pell did not sexually assault him. Yes, this is all true. When Pell was given an opportunity to take the stand, he declined. This is what a pious man would do. They would embrace their cross. Jesus also declined to speak in his defence in front of Pontius. For his fate was already sealed. That is absolute bullshit that you've made up and incredibly disrespectful to the victims. The more you've been posting, the more odious you make yourself look. I didn't make this up at all. This was all revealed in various testimonies but was dismissed. Provide a source then. You will not like the source! But it is a source that provides the other side. https://www.catholic.org/news/national/story.php?id=79557In addition, it was also reported in The Age in 2017 and also in a book about Pell written by Journalist Louise Milligan. One more thing. The Vatican has its own legal and judicial system under its own canonical Laws. Cardinal Pell has to face the accusations of wrong doingf from the Holy Sea as well. But it is likely he will be found innocent. They will only look at the evidence and the evidence alone and there doesn't seem to be any. https://theconversation.com/the-catholic-church-is-investigating-george-pells-case-what-does-that-mean-113187 The only sources you provided are from a church website and a canon law lecturer. "Before his death, the deceased man reportedly told his mother at least twice that he had not been a victim of sexual abuse". This hasn't been reported anywhere else to this is nearly certainly complete bullshit. That wasn't reported by any mainstream media organisations. I bet they used the word 'reportedly' to cover their asses. Yes that's right. They are the only source not carrying a pitched fork. Everyone else is so polarized they are not thinking straight. The secular warlords have hijacked this case and want their scalp of a Cardinal at all cost. that is what is going on. This trial isn't a fair trial and it never was going to be. We will be hearing about it for years to become, because this IS NOT JUSTICE or due process. You literally picked a biased source and them claimed that every other souce is biased. lol ok. No I didn't. I picked the only alternative sources to the vigilantes. There are other sources too, but you won't like them either. And it was reported in The Age, SMH by Louise Milligan. It's also in her book. So not just the Catholic Source. It's in the book: The Rise and Fall of Cardinal George Pell by Louise Milligan. https://twitter.com/Milliganreports I don't have the book so I can't read it but the book came to the conclusion that he was guilty. Did she? So let's get this straight! Louise Milligan came to the conclusion that Cardinal Pell was guilty. I find it very doubtful Louise Milligan is stupid enough to come to any such conclusions all by herself. Not even the mainstream media will commit to saying Cardinal Pell is guilty. They only say, "was found guilty" or its reported that but they won't come out and say he is guilty. No siree, they do have a much higher IQ than that. I've been reading reviews of the book. The book certainly shows that Pell has a history of abusing kids and covering it up. https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/explosive-book-back-on-the-shelves-after-george-pell-verdict-20190226-p510bi.htmlhttps://books.google.com.au/books/about/Cardinal.html?id=2d2rAQAACAAJ&source=kp_book_description&redir_esc=y No it doesn't! It doesn't show anything of the sort. The book is about The Melbourne Project, not about Pell abusing children. Yes it is which is why the book wasn't on sale in Victoria until the trial was over. No that wasn't the reason. The reason was because of the suppression order not because Milligan made any accusations against Pell other than being involved in a conspiracy to conflate and cover up through their Melbourne project. She did not claim Pell abused any child.
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