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bettega - 27 Feb 2023 10:01 AM
bohemia - 26 Feb 2023 2:15 AM

Was Southern expansion the one backed by Chinese property developers?

and Craig Foster and technological undergarments that would let you enter the stadium and swipe your left but cheek to order a beer or something.........
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Beretta - 27 Feb 2023 8:21 AM
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Your comment itself is racist to all croatians as your painting everyone and every club in the same brush. 
I will guarantee you that 1 if not 2 croatian clubs will be accepted into the NSD. 

Exactly. Melbourne Knights will most likely be one of the stronger bids and it would be difficult to justify not letting them in if they tick all of the required boxes.
That being said, if the FA are trying to decide between SU58 and another club, and they both have a similar spec'd application, I reckon the fan issues at the Australia Cup final may come into play. I also reckon the FA will actively limit the number of clubs they select that are associated with a single nationality. For example, I don't think we will see 4 Italian clubs, or 4 Greek clubs, or 4 Cro clubs, etc. I also reckon we won't see two clubs associated with the same nationality from the same state. Not saying that it's right, I'm just saying I reckon the FA will have that line of thinking.
Either way, in a FA owned and operated league, all clubs are going to be held responsible for any questionable fan behavior. They will need to be prepared to accept sanctions, points deductions, etc if their fans behave in a way that the FA don't approve of.

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someguyjc - 27 Feb 2023 10:24 AM
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Exactly. Melbourne Knights will most likely be one of the stronger bids and it would be difficult to justify not letting them in if they tick all of the required boxes.
That being said, if the FA are trying to decide between SU58 and another club, and they both have a similar spec'd application, I reckon the fan issues at the Australia Cup final may come into play. I also reckon the FA will actively limit the number of clubs they select that are associated with a single nationality. For example, I don't think we will see 4 Italian clubs, or 4 Greek clubs, or 4 Cro clubs, etc. I also reckon we won't see two clubs associated with the same nationality from the same state. Not saying that it's right, I'm just saying I reckon the FA will have that line of thinking.
Either way, in a FA owned and operated league, all clubs are going to be held responsible for any questionable fan behavior. They will need to be prepared to accept sanctions, points deductions, etc if their fans behave in a way that the FA don't approve of.
Thats not really fair mate... Why cant we have suspended sanctions and pretend "life bans" for fans like the franchises?


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Monoethnic Social Club - 27 Feb 2023 10:38 AM
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Thats not really fair mate... Why cant we have suspended sanctions and pretend "life bans" for fans like the franchises?


Well that's what I meant. They'll need to be prepared to accept a threat of sanctions, points deductions, etc.
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Arthur - 23 Feb 2023 10:07 AM
Queensland
Peninsula Power
Olympic FC
Sunshine Coast Fire
Gold Coast Knights
Wynnum Wolves
Brisbane United (composite club) will confirm when known and not sure if this part of Brisbane Strikers or if Strikers have applied.
NSW
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Marconi
Sydney Olympic
Sydney United
Wollongong Wolves
Victoria
Heidelberg United
Melbourne Knights
South Melbourne
Hume City
Preston Lions
Brunswick Juventus
Caroline Springs George Cross
Tasmania
South Hobart
South Australia
Adelaide City

Great start with EOI entries, really interesting is the number of Club in Queensland with the ambition to reach a higher level.
Their aspiration deserves a lot of credit, whether they make it or not.

Behind these Clubs, some clubs I've spoken to realise they aren't ready, they do want to reach the NST level. To achieve that goal they are already putting together 5 year strategic plans together.
It's becoming evident that having this new national platform is infuenceing clubs to plan, invest and aspire.

Looks like my mail on Brisbane United could be on the cards, numklpkgulftumch.


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Arthur - 27 Feb 2023 12:31 PM
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Looks like my mail on Brisbane United could be on the cards, numklpkgulftumch.


I'd be interested to know at what stage in the process do the full list of current applications gets published.
 
Or is it only at the final declaration ?

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numklpkgulftumch - 27 Feb 2023 12:42 PM

Arthur - 27 Feb 2023 12:31 PM

I'd be interested to know at what stage in the process do the full list of current applications gets published.
 
Or is it only at the final declaration ?

They may not publish a full list of applicants, but I would imagine they would likely publish the shortlisted applications. This would be in April sometime.
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someguyjc - 27 Feb 2023 10:24 AM
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Exactly. Melbourne Knights will most likely be one of the stronger bids and it would be difficult to justify not letting them in if they tick all of the required boxes.
That being said, if the FA are trying to decide between SU58 and another club, and they both have a similar spec'd application, I reckon the fan issues at the Australia Cup final may come into play. I also reckon the FA will actively limit the number of clubs they select that are associated with a single nationality. For example, I don't think we will see 4 Italian clubs, or 4 Greek clubs, or 4 Cro clubs, etc. I also reckon we won't see two clubs associated with the same nationality from the same state. Not saying that it's right, I'm just saying I reckon the FA will have that line of thinking.
Either way, in a FA owned and operated league, all clubs are going to be held responsible for any questionable fan behavior. They will need to be prepared to accept sanctions, points deductions, etc if their fans behave in a way that the FA don't approve of.

Probably a fairly accurate assessment. But agreed, imo the ethnicity of the clubs founders should be irrelevant if we’re trying to move into a post NCIP era as a unified sport. We can’t really afford to be excluding some of our strongest clubs on that basis tbh, there’s already a fairly limited number of clubs which can probably actually sustain this. If its the case that 2 of those clubs in Melbourne happen to be “Greek clubs” and 2 of those clubs in Sydney happen to be “Italian”, so be it. We need our biggest clubs in this for it be given its best chance of success. Same goes for geographic location 

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absolutely and in todays way of "inclusion" and all the FA would need to be veryvery careful on the grounds why X large Club that measures up to all the requirements applicable being incl in the NST sure will need to have covered their backs (with their lawyers advise)...........
Discrimination today is a lawsuit melting pot.


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Butler99 - 24 Feb 2023 7:15 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/25/fifteen-a-league-expansion-bids-confirmed-on-deadline-day
No strikers or lions on this list. 
The Freo and West Adelaide bids still make me laugh. 

The 15 bids
ACT: Canberra
New South Wales: South-West Sydney (Liverpool), Southern Expansion (Sutherland-St George Illawarra), Wollongong Wolves, Macarthur (Campbelltown)
Queensland: Brisbane City, Gold Coast United, Western Pride/Ipswich
South Australia: West Adelaide
Tasmania: State-wide
Victoria: Team 11 (South-East Melbourne), South Melbourne, Western Melbourne, Belgravia Leisure
Western Australia: Fremantle City


Fremantle City... :laugh:

They just used this as a ploy to poach junior NPL players from other clubs in WA.
"Come play for Fremantle, your son will be playing for us in the A-League in a few years. See, we even have a website saying so!".

Sadly, there were parents who fell for it.


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petszk - 27 Feb 2023 5:01 PM
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Fremantle City... :laugh:

They just used this as a ploy to poach junior NPL players from other clubs in WA.
"Come play for Fremantle, your son will be playing for us in the A-League in a few years. See, we even have a website saying so!".

Sadly, there were parents who fell for it.

I'm sure there are clubs doing the same thing now for the NST. 
Not just for juniors but also for their current NPL teams. 

"Join us this season for the NPL and you'll be playing in the second division next year"
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Butler99 - 27 Feb 2023 6:02 PM
petszk - 27 Feb 2023 5:01 PM

I'm sure there are clubs doing the same thing now for the NST. 
Not just for juniors but also for their current NPL teams. 

"Join us this season for the NPL and you'll be playing in the second division next year"

Wouldn't surprise me....... How do you think Aleague academies lure their players btw? or more accurately the parents of their players?
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LFC. - 27 Feb 2023 3:45 PM
absolutely and in todays way of "inclusion" and all the FA would need to be veryvery careful on the grounds why X large Club that measures up to all the requirements applicable being incl in the NST sure will need to have covered their backs (with their lawyers advise)...........
Discrimination today is a lawsuit melting pot.

Don't worry LFC, Im sure Nikou kept old Frank's notes on how to disguise racism ... 
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Feb 2023 4:47 PM
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Don't worry LFC, Im sure Nikou kept old Frank's notes on how to disguise racism ... 

Imo they’d probably just not divulge the exact reasons why a club wasn’t selected, just like a restaurant isn’t going to openly tell an applicant they didn’t hire them to wait tables because they’re too ugly. They’ll just say “thanks for your application, unfortunately you were unsuccessful, better luck next time”

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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Feb 2023 4:47 PM
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Don't worry LFC, Im sure Nikou kept old Frank's notes on how to disguise racism ... 

1. Pick clubs that can draw more than 3k people
2. Don’t pick clubs that don’t even bother to apply (ie South)
3, Pick clubs that dont play on cow paddocks

 Cunning strategy by Frank
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someguyjc - 27 Feb 2023 10:24 AM
Beretta - 27 Feb 2023 8:21 AM

Exactly. Melbourne Knights will most likely be one of the stronger bids and it would be difficult to justify not letting them in if they tick all of the required boxes.
That being said, if the FA are trying to decide between SU58 and another club, and they both have a similar spec'd application, I reckon the fan issues at the Australia Cup final may come into play. I also reckon the FA will actively limit the number of clubs they select that are associated with a single nationality. For example, I don't think we will see 4 Italian clubs, or 4 Greek clubs, or 4 Cro clubs, etc. I also reckon we won't see two clubs associated with the same nationality from the same state. Not saying that it's right, I'm just saying I reckon the FA will have that line of thinking.
Either way, in a FA owned and operated league, all clubs are going to be held responsible for any questionable fan behavior. They will need to be prepared to accept sanctions, points deductions, etc if their fans behave in a way that the FA don't approve of.

I think you are onto something.

I also think that you can't have an NST with mono ethnic clubs that are overwhelmingly from just 3 nationalities, ala NSL. Won't work. Many will be disappointed.
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when is the deadline again? I guess we find out how many then
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grazorblade - 28 Feb 2023 9:15 PM
when is the deadline again? I guess we find out how many then

20 feb was cut off to register and 3 march is deadline to submit the EOI

Missing the 20 feb deadline doesn't really mean much. I understand you can still proceed to submitting an EOI without the previous registration.
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Feb 2023 4:45 PM
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Wouldn't surprise me....... How do you think Aleague academies lure their players btw? or more accurately the parents of their players?

And if they're the parents of kids at CCM or Adelaide United they made the right choice
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Monoethnic Social Club - 28 Feb 2023 4:45 PM

And if they're the parents of kids at CCM or Adelaide United they made the right choice

2 out of 12 aint bad I suppose :)
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roosty - 28 Feb 2023 7:36 PM
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1. Pick clubs that can draw more than 3k people
2. Don’t pick clubs that don’t even bother to apply (ie South)
3, Pick clubs that dont play on cow paddocks

 Cunning strategy by Frank

1 . Well I guess most ISUZU ute clubs need not bother applying then.
2. Agreed.
3. See point 1.
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someguyjc - 27 Feb 2023 10:24 AM

I think you are onto something.

I also think that you can't have an NST with mono ethnic clubs that are overwhelmingly from just 3 nationalities, ala NSL. Won't work. Many will be disappointed.

Agreed, they should have a quota 4 x Greek Clubs, 4 x Croatian clubs, 3 x Italian clubs, 1 x Maltese, 1 x Northern Macedonian, 1 x Turkish, 1 x Serbian and 1 x Albanian.....
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Monoethnic Social Club - 1 Mar 2023 10:14 AM
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Agreed, they should have a quota 4 x Greek Clubs, 4 x Croatian clubs, 3 x Italian clubs, 1 x Maltese, 1 x Northern Macedonian, 1 x Turkish, 1 x Serbian and 1 x Albanian.....

You'd struggle to get to 3 Italian clubs these days.

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bettega - 1 Mar 2023 10:19 AM
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You'd struggle to get to 3 Italian clubs these days.

Marconi, Apia, Adelaide City ---- fixed :)
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someguyjc - 27 Feb 2023 10:24 AM

I think you are onto something.

I also think that you can't have an NST with mono ethnic clubs that are overwhelmingly from just 3 nationalities, ala NSL. Won't work. Many will be disappointed.

I couldn't care less what nationality clubs have association with. I just reckon the FA will walk that path and partially base their decision on some form of quotas. It should be whichever clubs can demonstrate they are most suitable.
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Marconi, Apia, Adelaide City ---- fixed :)

Correct. Forgive my assumption, but The above is a very Victorian perspective. Unfortunate what’s happened in melbourne re the merger and de merger of Italian clubs chart, that essentially killed the historic connection many people felt to said clubs. Many Italians in Melbourne who have historically been heavily involved in soccer don’t believe the current iteration of Brunswick juventus to be the “real” Brunswick juventus for example. But in nsw and south Australia to this day some of the strongest clubs are Italian 
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South Melbourne waiting for the grand entrance in the final week to express an interest.
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soccerfoo - 1 Mar 2023 12:06 PM
South Melbourne waiting for the grand entrance in the final week to express an interest.

Maybe we are not considering applying because there are too many "effnik" clubs already :)
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what is the current list of eois?
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