The riot was a bit like pre WW1 Europe. Powder keg just waiting to go off. That the group in question chose to attack a surf life saver..... if you were a Bond villain planning something, you couldn't design it any bettter. Add in the reacts from radio shock jocks and some very, very committed locals (before social media) who fanned the thing by texting "wog bashing day" to all a sundry (at 10 cents a text in those days)... surprised the crowd wasn't double. 

It's Penrith or Mt Druitt by the Sea. 

Except strangely affluent

 
Then why is Sutherland sharks so poorly supported? Only family members of the players go support them. 
The only thing good is the junior participation. 

Fact is, Cronulla is NRL and nothing else. 

That joint bid is a joke. 

I think the FA are onto to it. No way will Sydney Croatia get in the NST, just no way. Same will apply to a select others.

And what if they do get selected? What then?

Don't give that racist idiot oxygen

So be it, accept that it will be back to the future with plenty of fire works on the 6.00 pm news.

Can't see it getting around this specific FA criteria however.....

Such additional criteria as Football Australia may determine are in the best interests of football in Australia. 

Really, show where and what I've said that is racist?

Here are the racists you're trying to defend.....

https://www.ftbl.com.au/news/racist-fans-wont-ban-clubs-from-a-league-second-division-the-door-was-never-closed-591724

Thats a contusing counter argument Paulie... the actual title of the article you posted even says that Sydney Croatia WON'T be banned from second division and the door was "never closed" to them??? Ar you SURE you know whats going on in FA? 

"I think the FA are onto to it. No way will Sydney Croatia get in the NST, just no way. Same will apply to a select others" PGR wisdom March 2023

I agree, just stating that the only thing i (personally) know about Cronulla is to associate them with the race riots.

Im sorry your right, I don't get what you are trying to say (but trying to ask respectfully) I have never met anyone trying to fight their father's fights or homeland fights? What ARE they? Ive been in a few scuffles at the soccer (many many many moons ago, looking back shamefully now) and never thought to associate a past war against the Croatian's for example to our hatred of Melbourne Knights???? I dont think there ever has been a "homeland fight" to be honest, most Croatian Australian people I have met are genuine, warm, funny, welcoming people??? No Croatian EVER told me to "fuck off back to my own country" or to not speak my "woggy language in public"

We had a rivalry with george Cross but, apart from maybe the Byzantines invading Malta in the 1300s hundreds (I think) I cant think of ANY animosity between us.
Maybe Italy invading Greece in World War 2 I suppose but after they capitulated, and the fact it was 80 years ago, and we are so farkin similar I think noboday even remembers it these days... With the North Macedonians, sure there was some tension in the early 90s but I don't think anyone really cares anymore (I certainly don't) .. did I leave anyone out that we are supposed to be fighting our "father's wars"??? 

Don't get suckered into the "propaganda" mate, honestly.... 

Maybe it's a Melbourne thing, but woggy thing (especially against the southern Europeans) that you feel discriminated against, doesn't happen in Sydney since the 1970s.

Maybe you right, I do agree that it's small minority, but a Greek person I hope seeing a Nth Macedonia's flag in the NSD doesn't spark any deep feeling or a Serbian seeing a Croatian flag> I hope & pray fro the sake of the game in Australia hope you are right.

Hahahah I get told to "go back to my own country" at least once a week on this forum alone mate... hahahahahah

The interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s.
However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have  a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.

I always found this funny among the wogs at school in the 90s. Mostly 2nd generation (or barely 3rd).

I spoke fluent Italian, spoke literally half/half until I went to school, spent every night after school at nonno's and half the weekend , knew about italian history and music/art etc yet my mum's an Aussie (who lived in Italy and spoke fluent too)

Most of the wogs at school thought being Italian was having slick hair, saying fungu lu pesc in bad Neapolitan accents and yet they would give ME shit (mostly in jest but not always) for "wanting to be a skip or a dogger" because I was friends with the guys that were into rock n roll and smoking ahaha

It's a funny old world

Yea re bettega obviously goes without saying that’s a generalisation and it’s obviously a case by case thing, very much depends on the family etc. 

re davide, kinda comparable experience for me. My father came out at the very end of the big wave in the 70s, most families came in the 50s-60s. I was first Gen born here, where as most people my age it was their grand parents who were the link back to italy. So despite actually speaking the language, having a grasp of the actual culture of the place and having strong connections to Italy itself with family still living there etc it was often said I didn’t “seem” Italian because I didn’t wear trackies and talk a certain way.  Also I don’t “look like” what most people think of When they think of the archetypal Italian and my father is from Rome where as most Italo-Australians trace their ancestry back to the south, Naples, Calabria, Sicily et

For what it’s worth, working somewhat comically stereotypically in a pizzeria, I can confirm that there’s been a sharp uptick in Italian migration to Sydney Atleast in the past decade as the economic Situation in Italy worsens again, especially for the youth. Probably less pronounced in Adelaide I’d imagine 

Again. I’d personally say that’s more so the case in Melbourne due to the factors i mentioned previously, historic connections between the clubs and Italian community broken by the mergers and de mergers, loss of club identity and historic through lines, club not being passed from father to Son etc 

In Sydney it is still quite common to see and hear first Gen Italian migrants and their direct descendants on the terraces at Marconi and APIA, speaking the language etc. no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us 

We have seen some of it for sure but as always, no doubt in much smaller numbers (my social circle these days is like 5 people so I'm not exactly in touch anymore aha).
In my travels every young Italian or Spanish person I met asked 100 questions about Australia and how they dreamed of coming here because there was nothing for them there.
It's really sad to be honest hey 

PS Nonna was from Guarcino (just outside of Rome) but met Nonno (Sicilian) in Rome and lived there till they came here in the mid 50s.
They moved back for a fair few years in the 70s along with my mum and dad until I think they realised what they had given up.
Some of my uncles never forgave them for that.

Oh, my only point for saying that was half my Italian side have proper red hair and fairish skin and the other half (inc. me) are more what Australians imagine Italians to look like aha

Anyway I'm rambling, nice to "meet" you man

"Dogger" hahahahahahahahah I havent heard that in 30 years mate, I remember my Mile End cousins calling someone that and even then me thinking it was a lot harsher than "Can-eater"  we used to use.... 

Was the same sort of scenario with Greeks in Melbourne back then too (I DO miss kung fu shoes or wog loafers with tassles and skinny black jeans though :)). Thank God the only knuckle draggers left now pretty much only go to the tennis or to Oakleigh games.... 

Irrelevant story but I just remembered a Lebanese mate introducing himself to our other mates 80+ year old Nona as "Ciao signora, my name is Teste de cazzo" hahahahahahah she fell off her chair laughing, legs in the air, old lady underwear over her head and all ..... we thought she was having a fit..... for years after at BBQs or whatever she would point to Tony and say "Ciao Cazzo" hahahahahahah 

Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys.
It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club.
Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken.

Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City.

I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10.
I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend.
90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights.

By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha

To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours.

Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage.
It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement.
It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them.

Anyway

Haha, Ah the nonnas, gotta love ‘em, surely there isn’t a more iconic genus of grandma 

Aha not many people know what I mean by dogger anymore!

Funnily enough in my 20s-30s playing in bands I had the skinny black jeans but in a whole different scene aha

I liked the wogs that were a bit older than me dressed like that (and ripple sole boots) that were into Kiss and Zeppelin more than the Kappa wearing ones by the time my school years rolled around  :D:D (not that I ever really liked Kiss but you would know what I mean aha)

Interesting. My ex wife is from Adelaide so I’ve spent a fair bit of time there over the years. Seems to me that in Adelaide there’s more acceptance of the idea of getting behind the unified south Australian club and accepting that the traditional club is a thing of the past. Perhaps because the same thing happened with the SANFL and VFL/AFL. People getting behind the crows and accepting than their old club was no longer relevant. 

Yeah we are certainly different aha

It's possibly just from the whole city being more like a big country town.

There is just as big, or bigger really, sense of being from Adelaide/SA than being from specific suburbs.

Maybe it's just knowing as a smaller place we need to combine forces to take on the big boys.

I don't know. I don't want to discount the suburban rivalries of the SANFL years I guess

 Hehehehehehe its like you have old home videos of me stored under your bed somewhere.... hahahahahaha

The old birds (God love them) all pretty much had a wicked sense of humour too.... I miss my yia yia soooooo much ...

Ha ha I did have a feeling when I typed that

Ah, the son in law Bruno in Kingswood Country, what a show. Money on the fridge wog! Not the Kingswood!

I live near the club, eaten at the restaurant in the club rooms and been to the odd match with the kids when we were bored. It's hard to pick up how "italian" the club is still just from that (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). The part of town it's in isn't particularly italian IMO, the school my kids go to has a large amount of indians for example. I think all the key positions in the board are held by italians or italian adjacent (e.g. Greg Griffin's wife is Italian) still.

And yeah was pretty much the same when united started, for the first time I had people talking to me about the local team from all backgrounds. The reality is I identify more South Australian/Australian than I do Triestino/Italian despite what my genetics might say so it wasn't hard to get behind them. The way they've (almost) always had a strong local identity is just resonates with me.