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are they trying to stitch up the Melbourne Knights by claiming they will be owning the first football purpose only stadium? Arrogance will not be this franchises friend...suggest Horvat pulls his head in.
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Marvel Stadium is owned by the AFL now.

It will benefit from a significant government backed investment program too, which is certainly not unusual in the Emperor’s territory of the AFL, otherwise known as Melbourne .
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So are there any supporters of this team in this forum?
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ramrod - 14 Dec 2018 12:04 PM
someguyjc - 14 Dec 2018 10:29 AM

It's going to look shit no matter where they play. I get people are trying to find positives, but let's dwell on how bad this decision is for a while longer. Bids like Canberra, Woolongong, South Melbourne and South West Sydney - bids that had rectangular stadiums in the regions they represent, ready to go - all could've come in next season. This is so dumb, it's so fucking dumb. The competition is struggling and they add a team that's going to struggle for the next 4-5 years, at least, because they offered the most money upfront. It's painful to think about. If we were an established competition like the AFL, and we could afford to bring in a struggling team because it meant a new stadium in 5 years in a growth region, sure. But obviously we're not. It's a bad decision, I only hope the league can withstand it. Fuck we put our supporters through so much shit. 

Not to mention that people in Melbourne are highly critical. If something isn't done properly we will disregard it immediately. Heart was the perfect example of this. The FFA got it completely wrong then and it was evident from day one that people were never going to fully support the club. Docklands stadium is another example of this. No one in Melbourne likes it. And not just from a football point of view, AFL people don't like it either. It doesn't even face the right way, so it is incredibly difficult to maintain the grass. It's widely discussed that when the AFL take full ownership in 2025 that they will seriously consider demolishing it. It's definitely going to be an uphill battle for WMG. Not only do they need to nail the branding/colours, they also need to match (or exceed) the spending of MV right from day one. Any club in Victoria will always be compared to MV. MV are the benchmark expectation of what a club should offer in Melbourne. Anything less and the people won't be interested.

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/new-aleague-club-western-melbourne-unveils-ambitious-plans-for-stadium-supporter-base-and-signings/news-story/4db7013da76ebb4a29039824c22e1291?fbclid=IwAR1ZGK9Q9bvkU07D2beZZOaSlx5n11ICkLlnnOsAjuKE85ARfVpddBOosXs
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Knights stadium has terrible PT access. Not really something I think would be wise.

It’s also right in the heart of Victoryland, making it hard to see that being remotely viable.

Using Avalon Airport Stadium in Werribee may well have been an early plan, but the FFA would have made it clear that it was not going to be looked at favorably.

Whichever way you turn looking for positives, there are t many from this decision.
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Also they would be odds on at targeting Adrian Leijer.
He's originally from Geelong and at least would represent the area.
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The only sensible option temporarily is to wave some cash as Melbourne Knights and put a temporary stand on the outer wing at Somers St.

Would bring the seating capacity to be about 8k and overall 12k or so.
Perfect outcome for its infant years.
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I struggle to find many positives from this too. I’m in the west and realise how bad this decision is.

As pointed out before, the demographics of the Wyndham area are now skewed in Football’s favour. The subcontinent are cricket mad, which makes up a fair chunk of that area these days.

The growth of the west will be big, but they need to survive the 10-15 years before much of those tangible benefits can be realised.
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someguyjc - 14 Dec 2018 10:29 AM
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I get that the FFA/Fox want attractive stadiums for their broadcasts, but an empty stadium looks so much worse on TV than an older stadium with a packed crowd. Just look at how bad Roar games look on the TV. The AFLW uses Whitten Oval and they get much higher crowds than what we can expect from WMG. Maybe it would be a good option to host half the games at Whitten. Many people simply won't want to travel to Geelong. Maybe the lower profile matches (eg: Nix, Mariners, Jets) could be hosted at Whitten.

It's going to look shit no matter where they play. I get people are trying to find positives, but let's dwell on how bad this decision is for a while longer. Bids like Canberra, Woolongong, South Melbourne and South West Sydney - bids that had rectangular stadiums in the regions they represent, ready to go - all could've come in next season. This is so dumb, it's so fucking dumb. The competition is struggling and they add a team that's going to struggle for the next 4-5 years, at least, because they offered the most money upfront. It's painful to think about. If we were an established competition like the AFL, and we could afford to bring in a struggling team because it meant a new stadium in 5 years in a growth region, sure. But obviously we're not. It's a bad decision, I only hope the league can withstand it. Fuck we put our supporters through so much shit. 
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So they should merge with the Melbourne renegades and just play big bash? West Melbourne renegades gives them a greater point of difference to Melbourne stars.
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Heart_fan - 13 Dec 2018 10:47 PM
This club will struggle to get fans from areas like St Albans , Sunshine or Footscray, as it is easier to get into AAMI Park or Marvel Stadium than to Tarneit. The whole temporary base in Geelong part makes it even worse for connecting to their target market.The Western Suburbs may have 1.5 million or so in its broader region, and it is certainly growing significantly, but one can realistically maybe count a quarter of that as a realistic zone at this stage.As for the transport to the stadium, the Vic Govt announced prior to the election a Western Rail Plan that would see extra likes and a move towards electrification to Wydhamvale. As the stadium will be between Tarneit and Wydhamvale, a station has been proposed for that area in the original RRL line project for the future, so it could easily happen.At the end of the day, one wonders what this will end up looking like as a club. It just seems to be a situation that they will be on the back foot for a few years, hoping desperately that their stadium turns around their fortunes. Relying on a smaller market like Geelong to fill the stadium will be hard work.

I can tell you as someone who grew up in St Albans and still lives a few kms away - it is completely Victory heartland. Doubt there'd be many jumping ship. It's actually quicker for me to get to AAMI Park than to Tarneit/Wyndham. Even if it wasn't, I'd never jump ship.

If they are targeting people from Melton, across to Tarneit, Werribee, etc, they are better off investing in a BBL team. Just looking at Census data, 17.6% of Tarneit is Indian. There are many from Pakistan and Sri Lanka there too.

http://quickstats.censusdata.abs.gov.au/census_services/getproduct/census/2016/quickstat/SSC22439?opendocument



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So Everyone's Agreed West Melbourne Group is going to be a huge success!
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bettega - 14 Dec 2018 10:33 AM
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Does Werribee have a facility?  that would make more sense

https://www.austadiums.com/stadiums/photos/avalon-airport-oval.jpg

Avalon Airport Oval (Chirnside Park Oval) is right in the centre of Werribee town. It's only recently been upgraded and is actually owned by Whydham Council. Werribee Tigers play in the VFL there and it is used for cricket over the summer, but it is council owned so I guess they could move the cricket somewhere else. It has a small grandstand and undercover terrace area and decent facilities for small size crowds (1000-2000). They are going to use it for AFLW this coming season. The lighting is good enough for VFL night games.
Similar to Casey Fields, it would not be appealing to the FFA, but temporary stands could possible be brought in.

Williamstown's Burbank Oval also used for VFL would be of a slightly better quality but not A-League standard.
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bettega - 14 Dec 2018 10:33 AM
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Does Werribee have a facility?  that would make more sense

Not really. Chirnside Park is the only one and it's not really up to scratch. At least Whitten is currently used to broadcast AFLW and VFL matches. 
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They can't keep going for the generic names,  central coast and western Sydney work, they appear to have clear boarders but western Melbourne doesnt.

There really isn't a broader name for anything west of the yarra and i don't think people are going to relate to a name like wyndham.

Someone did say something like Westgate fc... but i do know that's taken,  but that never stopped Melbourne city. 

It needs to be non specific,  but something people can relate to. 

Call it You Yangs FC. You can see them from geelong and maybe from tarneit... if you climb a tree

That could actually work. The You Yangs are iconic for the whole outer west area. I feel it will be Wyndham something as that has a connection to the whole area not just Tarniet.
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Heart_fan - 14 Dec 2018 10:16 AM
The Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically.

Does Werribee have a facility?  that would make more sense

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Heart_fan - 14 Dec 2018 10:16 AM
The Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval. At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically.

I get that the FFA/Fox want attractive stadiums for their broadcasts, but an empty stadium looks so much worse on TV than an older stadium with a packed crowd. Just look at how bad Roar games look on the TV. The AFLW uses Whitten Oval and they get much higher crowds than what we can expect from WMG. Maybe it would be a good option to host half the games at Whitten. Many people simply won't want to travel to Geelong. Maybe the lower profile matches (eg: Nix, Mariners, Jets) could be hosted at Whitten.
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The Whitten Oval likely wasn’t considered as they would have had the same outcome as what occurred for Team 11.

Kardinia Park is a much better stadium, which has been renovated significantly over the past decade, but the whittern oval is no where near that level.

The FFA would consider everything from corporate facilities, lighting and video screens, which would be sub-optimal at the Whitten Oval.

At this rate though, looking at the news about not yet having a deal to play at Kardinia Park, the Whittern Oval would likely be wise to be discussed as an option. It would at least make more sense geographically.
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CHEP - 14 Dec 2018 9:15 AM
Western Melbourne are basically the Southern Expansion of Victoria. Massive statements, massive plans yet none of it actually exists. Until they are lining up for kick off in it, I struggle to believe that they will actually build this stadium. The fact they think it will take 2-3 years is laughable. Just have a look at Parra stadium and how long that took from knockdown to planning to submissions to construction to finish... Everything points towards them being a much better candidate for the 13th and 14th license which would most likely coincide with their stadium being complete. That article someone posted above about Kardinia Park trust appears concerning, doesn’t look like they’re overly interested in hosting them at all.

Kardinia park is a bad idea for so many reasons. Firstly it's way too big for a new club. Secondly, being a cricket venue over the Summer makes it tricky as the cricket pitch needs to be removed for football. Victory don't play any games at Marvel during the T20 league, all games scheduled over that period are at AAMI. WMG don't have the luxury of two venues. However, that's the decision that's been made, so I'm sure they'll come to some agreement to play at Kardinia.
Does anyone know why Whitten Oval isn't being considered as a temporary venue? It's closer to the Tarneit area and only holds 12K which is perfect for a new club trying to grow a supporter base.
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CHEP - 14 Dec 2018 9:15 AM
Western Melbourne are basically the Southern Expansion of Victoria. Massive statements, massive plans yet none of it actually exists. Until they are lining up for kick off in it, I struggle to believe that they will actually build this stadium. The fact they think it will take 2-3 years is laughable. Just have a look at Parra stadium and how long that took from knockdown to planning to submissions to construction to finish... Everything points towards them being a much better candidate for the 13th and 14th license which would most likely coincide with their stadium being complete. That article someone posted above about Kardinia Park trust appears concerning, doesn’t look like they’re overly interested in hosting them at all.

A football writer needs to put the blowtorch on this.

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Western Melbourne are basically the Southern Expansion of Victoria. Massive statements, massive plans yet none of it actually exists. Until they are lining up for kick off in it, I struggle to believe that they will actually build this stadium. The fact they think it will take 2-3 years is laughable. Just have a look at Parra stadium and how long that took from knockdown to planning to submissions to construction to finish...

Everything points towards them being a much better candidate for the 13th and 14th license which would most likely coincide with their stadium being complete.

That article someone posted above about Kardinia Park trust appears concerning, doesn’t look like they’re overly interested in hosting them at all.
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I saw somewhere (it might have been in relation to the info night) someone suggest the name Three Rivers FC after the Maribyrnong, Werribee and Barwon Rivers in an attempt to cover all the areas they are trying to represent.
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Buggalugs 2.0 - 13 Dec 2018 4:54 PM
Why not call themselves South Melbourne ?

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Sydney FCs strong opposition to southern expansion was a factor in them being overlooked. Could melbourne city have quietly (as in not via the media) opposed the south melbourne bids?

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Heart_fan - 14 Dec 2018 1:05 AM
I think that’s the most interesting part about Team 11 not getting the licence. David Gallop seemed to make the case about Casey Fields being unsuitable as a temporary venue, yet I am sure they would have at least been able to get their planned training complex, with the mini stadium for 5-10k up and running in year 2 at least. Year 3 could have been them move into their new stadium, whilst staying in the same general region.Going against my initial feelings about the discussions, he also appeared to indicate that the Vic govt were generally supportive of the Team 11 stadium plans, but kept going back to their temporary arrangements as the issue.Strange logic, which could well be a result of a lack of understanding of the Western region of Melbourne, which is not a cohesive catchment area in the traditional sense.

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milan_7 - 13 Dec 2018 10:48 PM
What are the thoughts on team name, badge, colours etc?

I think Western Melbourne FC actually sounds good with some nickname that links to the area, but with Western Sydney, South West Sydney, Western Melbourne and Central Coast it sounds like we are just naming teams after directions. But I guess alienating it to a specific area (particular when they will be playing in Geelong initially) is not a good idea.

I could live with 'Wyndham Vale FC'. With their nickname being 'The Valiants'. A bit like Port Vale FC in England

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I think that’s the most interesting part about Team 11 not getting the licence.

David Gallop seemed to make the case about Casey Fields being unsuitable as a temporary venue, yet I am sure they would have at least been able to get their planned training complex, with the mini stadium for 5-10k up and running in year 2 at least. Year 3 could have been them move into their new stadium, whilst staying in the same general region.

Going against my initial feelings about the discussions, he also appeared to indicate that the Vic govt were generally supportive of the Team 11 stadium plans, but kept going back to their temporary arrangements as the issue.

Strange logic, which could well be a result of a lack of understanding of the Western region of Melbourne, which is not a cohesive catchment area in the traditional sense.


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The fact they were selected astounds me.

Victory has a massive hold on the west more than any other area so they need to really pull something out of their arse to make a success of it. Playing out of Geelong for 3 seasons is not going to do anyone any favours, especially when it becomes clear to everyone in their target region that until 2022, it's still easier to go watch Victory at Etihad than it is go watch their team that supposedly represents them.

At least Team 11 were going to still play in the South East in a temporary stadium rather than fly off to another city.



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Western Plains FC it is :)

Honestly, if they play in Geelong for a couple of years they surely can’t have Western Melbourne as their name if they want anyone showing up.
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