I found this article On the sbs website.
 https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au./australia-can-still-strengthen-fragile-asian-status

Apparently we're not well liked in west asia and after what just happened in new zealand by an australian it actually occured to me that the rise of far right anti islam politics could affect our membership in the AFC. Obviously what happened in christchurch by an australian is not good for our membership in the AFC.

As you know most people in australia especially the anglos on the far right like blair cottrell, pauline hanson, fraser anning couldnt care less about football here. Its not considered australian, AFL is better and its for immigrants blah blah blah.


It just got me thinking, what is it exactly about the link between AFL, bogan,anglo,racist, far right, bigoted that you seem to be able to always notice?

 Im a pure anglo aussie myself but ive always felt im a bit of an odd one out in that I wasnt introduced to football by my family, I dont particuarly like AFL and I love the world game. When I go to watch football at a bar im usually in an area with expat brits or in an area with lots of asians who follow the EPL.

But say Im in a rural anglo country town, just about every bar around will only be interested in AFL or NRL. Ask to watch football and youll probably be met with resistance or dissapointment. Ive actually never even tried to do this in a rural country town.

 Even when you watch the AFL footy show you can tell people like Sam Newman and Dermott Brereton and Gary Lyon are fairly anglo australian centric and anti immigrant, anti foreign, bigoted.

It seems to be improving slowly but this underlying bigoted mentality has always existed in Australia and its usually there amongst anglos who have a rather long history in Australia. There are obviously exceptions to this like myself, (my ancestory on both sides goes back to the 1850s and im ineligable for a european or foreign passport)

Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Heres a link to the article


https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au./australia-can-still-strengthen-fragile-asian-status

Anning went help. This definitely makes sense especially with what happens here after a terrorist attack by a middle eastern person. 

Chinese buying up everything in Australia. Australian government seeling it.

So is the question really ... What is Australia?

if a non footballing event happened like this terror attack was enough to get us kicked out, then it says more about them than us.

if west asia dont like us, well bugger them. we'll just deal with east asia

If Melbourne was removed from the map, proper football would fare much better in Australia.

If Melbourne wasn’t on the map you wouldn’t have victory or their high attendance 

A small price to pay!

Without Melbourne we wouldn't have the dick  measuring contests.  

Don't really think this has much to do with our low standing. As far as west Asia is concerned we are outsiders, not really part of Asia,  and we are pro US,  pro Israel, our football until recently led by a dynasty that are Jewish and we are thought to think of ourselves as better than the rest of Asia.   We also reduce the chance of their nations qualifying for tournaments and we don't play political ball with them.  Were we the only Asian nation that didn't vote for sepp blater?  Not sure but definitely one of the only ones who opposed the view of the afc. 

Some of these complaints are reasonable,  some not,  but a lot are both true and things we are proud of.   I don't want us to 'play ball' and support whatever sheik or prince Asia gets behind etc.  We should get more involved in Asia but the football politics of west Asia in particular is so dodgy that I genuinely do feel like we are better than it,  even with our huge flaws.  I don't think domestic Aussie politics is irrelevant but it's not the biggest reason in my opinion. 

Why do we care what those countries think? Their in a perpetual state of civil war, indoctrinated to hate everyone who doesn’t wear a towel on their head. Don’t see many Aussies fleeing to the Mid East as refugees, says it all really.

No one wears towels on their heads culturally or religiously, certain groups do choose to wear cloth or linen head coverings (like certain christian nuns for example). They are not towels. You're thinking of people after they've had showers maybe?.

Also yes you're right we have no refugees fleeing Australia as we have not faced the brunt of interventionist western military, economic and political imperialism in a long time, especially compared to what the Middle-east and North Africa has had to endure over the past 100 or so years. You're right, we should be thankful for this and more sympathetic towards other countries that have not been so lucky as us. Good point. Thank you for your well reasoned input.

Racist and stupid post. 

What is it about racist f*ckwits and the inability to stick to basic grammar rules (they're/their)? 

How is that racist? Attacking a persons grammar really is bottom of the barrel when you have nothing else. Get back in your box. 

I dont think they’re worried about Blair Cottrell and a few guys wearing southern cross Tatts prancing down the street yelling into a megaphone, they’re more about Islamic terrorists detonating bombs causing their bodies to be blown to bits, or their own or some neighbouring dictator to firing chemical weapons into their hoods.  They’re not worried about Blair.

Why are social politics even brought up with football at all?

Does the AFC rise up when hundreds of innocents are killed regularly in the middle east? 

Keep that shit away from sport.

The AFC have no leg to stand on - what do they do when innocent people are being killed or locked up in the Middle East by governments? Nothing. This was a lone wolf and not representative of Australia. They can’t play the victim.

Ikr

Literally thousands of people have died in terrorist attacks in the AFC region in the last 12 months.

Did the AFC expel Syria after Assad murdered his own citizens with chemical weapons?

I agree but syria has more in common with the middle east and belongs in asia more than we do.

We're relative newcomers, culturally different and not liked by the middle east even before what just happened. 
And we also have plenty of people in our backyard who dont like or show any respect towards them either.

Dealing with islam and the middle east peacefully is about the best thing we could do if we want to stay in the afc.

In other words dont vote for far right politicians who i would bet my house on would think football is a foreign inferior sissy wog ball game anyway.

The afl would be rubbing their hands

Far right extremists in Australia count for what a few hundred if that in the country. 

Don't know what your bitching about.

Like i said earlier, somebodies political viewpoint doesn't count for shit when it comes to football. 

Didn't one nation get 200,000 votes? That's 200,000 who are very far to the right. The mainstream politics in Australia are also fairly far right at this stage.

Haha, that is so true. It just reinforces the stereotype that they lack in education. 


yep, people underestimate how many hard right nutters there are in this country. they're an embarrassment to the country. Fraser Anning's comments after the Christchurch terrorist act last week reverberated all over the world. You can only imagine how we are viewed on the world stage, especially in Asia. 

It's all relative, what you think is far right to another person is centrist.

I am talking about real far right extremists and let's not forget far left extremists whom seem to infest the media as activist journalists.

Like i said they would number in the hundreds.

Neither of which have f*ck all to do with football.

That is the problem, one nation used to be considered extreme but now you are calling it centrist! The normalisation of the shift to the right in this and other countries is the biggest issue.

Holy crap, I can only imagine what you must consider left-wing then...

interesting post. I would say Football in Australia (or at least modern football) is generally left leaning. we are anti-establishment, and tend to support muticulturalism, refugees, SSM, a lot of that type of stuff. we are the antithesis of bogan culture and looked upon from many cormers as a foreign enemy in a war against the local sporting heroes.

fwiw, i am Anglo as well. 

Our problem in Asia is that the worse we get the less power and influence we have, and we are definitely getting worse.

As for far-right, sure, in Australia and the US football is liberal, multi-cultural, global leaning but in Europe it would be much like AFL and NRL as basically mixed but with a nationalistic tendancy.

I personally think our biggest problem in Australia is the hyper-masculinity of the culture that tends to view football as soft. This is a broader problem for Australia as a whole though.

....and yet most Anglo Aussie adults do not play  AFL or Rugby League ...the games are too rough for most to actually play ...so they only watch it... and yet they talk about football being soft ?....oh the irony !

I thought its a constitutional right to speak on your political views, people can disagree, but you can't have a democracy if you start to silence people because you don't like what they are saying. The consensus of the people will in/validate it eventually.

I agree but if the anti islam brigade get too much power here our game will suffer.

Ive heard people say we should divide asia and just merge east and south east asia with oceania but we're the only ones in the afc who could give a rats ass about doing that.

And ftw, I think muslims can be fucking pain the ass to put up with but if we want a good standing or good relationship in the afc then we pretty much have to learn to get along.

I dont think the far right in australia has any where near the support as it does in europe and theyre not really a threat but I think for us football fans its something to be mindful about

The far left have a much stronger hold, the far right seems to be a minority. Both could be a problem for the Muslim community. 

Zord

I don't think you are too far off in many ways.... lets call then conservatives around the world struggle with the new world order...

In England the leave block are mostly lead by the conservatives, in the US, Australia, its mostly the conservatives who believe climate change is a left wing conspiracy to take over the world....

They may be a relative small percentage of the population but by and large they have a lot of power and often are the media gatekeepers of whats spoken about and the context it is spoken about..

To me its seems these same people also deny climate change.

Yes you are correct they don't like Football, never have, never will... they are kinda forced to put up with it....

Common among these folk is they want things to remain the same as remaining the same sees them in charge with power and in comfortable positions in life... 

The changing world order, scares them, they might have to compete with others and they don't like it...

The rise of Asia, and social media networks  terrifies them. 

I remember when the Asian Cup was played in Australia the coverage from media outside Football media and the political support was minimal for the event it was...

Whoever finishes up running Football in Australia, needs to handle this and work thu it.... 

And also west asia actually brings money into the game for competitions like the asian champions league and asian cup.

How much money would oceania contribute?

Its really not all that an attractive proposition for east asia to discard west asia and join oceania

We literally invaded AFC member Iraq causing over half a million untimely deaths and were unanimously voted into the AFC less than two years later.

She'll be right.

That's a big yeet.

-PB

How about the uproar in the media today about the trolls commenting on an aflw Facebook post

Bogans will be Bogans. and i bet you the majority of these people are exactly the same people we're talking about.  

Yes that was great.  I've no time for the AFL or AFLW but these blokes getting called out and named and shamed was great.

cant be worse then far left politics and a shamefully left wing bias media 

You think Murdoch and Packer are left wing? 

Did you accidently or deliberately leave out Australia’s biggest media organisation - the ABC? You know the one without a single conservative host?

I see,  so you won't be happy until all media is representing a few mega corporations and basing it's news entirely on click bait. 

Pretty much every foam of media bar a few news papers are strong left - I got nothing against the Muslim community but when people like W.Aly defend every terrorist attack that has happened by in the past 3 years but the one that isnt carried by a muslim and affects Muslims occurs then all of a sudden he is ramming the threat of right wing supremacy and that Muslim are victims of hate they do not deserve (weather that is true or not is irreverent where were you when the paris bombings happened? or the Lint Cafe? ) 

As for the media Give me a break news.com.au, SBS, ABC, 7, 10, the age and 9 etc are all left wing biased 

(ill happily call out the right winger outlets The Austalian news paper, the Herald sun, Sky news, Bolt report etc) 

Im not a right winger and im certainly not a left winger im more of a centralist but the media 'demonizes' the right and supports the left it might simply be because most of the people in the media have a golden spoon up bring and have no idea what it is like to live and go to school in a place like Boardmeadows and they spent there summer holidays in France or at their beach house instead of slaving away at Maccers and Coles for a few $ and dont actually know too many dodgy characters and believe every sob story they hear - it is hard to be in touch with regular people when you have never struggled 

A prime example would be the multi-millionaire seat of Wentworth being as far left that they are basically communist at the moment 

Most people who are 'right' a reason to 'mis-trust' minorities ie all these home invasions have resulted in a mass amount of racism against the Sudanese community 

The problem is people in this nation are sheep weather it be the left wing hippies or the right wing fear tactics people respond and the media outlets that are meant to be unbiased, innocent till proven guilt etc are not feeding facts any more because of the desire for ratings 

Where can I watch him defending every terrorist attack? I've seen him showing utter contempt for ISIS etc but never seen him defend them. Is this on Channel ten or his twitter or something else i'm missing?

Actually this is what Waleed Aly said about terrorism after multiple Islamic terrorist attacks. 
 “In its place is a far more sober, pragmatic recognition that terrorism is a perpetual irritant, and that while it is tragic and emotionally lacerating, it kills relatively few people and is not any kind of existential threat.”
His view seems somehow different now. Hmmm.

A few points

A- He released those words after every terrorist attack?
B - I tried searching the piece and in no way does he condone terrorism. Can you point out in that statement where he does? This article suggest no condoning at all, in fact the opposite 
https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/bomb-response-refreshingly-honest-20130418-2i2tn.html

And you also left off the next line 'Perhaps we're learning to avoid being sucked into terrorism's radicalising vortex'. 

Well of course he left off the next line.  Quoting people out of context is Propaganda 101.

A. He made the statement after multiple attacks had occurred, not after each attack. Imagine if a conservative had said similar words after Christchurch? Twitter meltdown. Double standards.
B. Where did I say he condoned terrorism? I simply stated what he actually said - which implied that terrorism is really nothing to worry about ... 
But now all of a sudden he is worried about it ... now why is that?

Oh and let’s not forget his attempt to portray the Boston bombing as the work of “self-styled American patriots” 
when in fact they were motivated by extremist Islamic beliefs (as per the confession of one of the perpetrators).

But Waleed is a great voice Islam and the left so can’t be critiqued by the media, without the usual ‘racist’ slurs being dragged out.

+1

This would make a great comedy TV show idea. The idea is hilarious 

The only left wing paper is The Guardian, SBS is a liberal globalist network, the rest are either centre or Right.

If common decency and holding politicians to account is considered left-wing then too bad, that is their purpose, if you don't like it there are plenty of commercial news outlets and social media echo-chambers that you can use.

Bingo!

It's headed by Ita Buttrose ffs :D

Numerous reports - conducted by conservatives themsleves have concluded no left bias - so not sure in whose head it is. 
Sure the ABC has plenty of limpy inner-city twaddle and has gone downhill but a left bias is unfounded. 

So you’re not refuting my statement at all then?

To all those claiming Australia is racist. You do realise that a certain country - Israel - can’t playing in the same conference as it’s nearest neighbours because these AFC neighbours have the total destruction of the Jewish state as official government policy. But yeah, Australia is so racist it might be kicked out of the AFC, eh?

Part of fitting into the AFC unfortunately

Even if we dont like them we need to learn to improve our relationship with them

As I pointed out earlier oceania has absolutely nothing going for it. Not much talent, fuck all money, fuck all potential

East and south east asia have absolutely no incentive to join oceania. Its laughable that people even think that will happen

Yeah but racism is acceptable when jews are involved. Just ask the university of Sydney after an employed academic waved money in the face of a Jewish woman. Still has his job of course.

I feel like I've been living in a different country without realising it.

it cant help when you get involved in other countries criminal trials and accept a person who's on bail into your country...

If you want the truth then you won’t get it from any mainstream news network (paper or tv).  They are nothing more than controlled propaganda machines designed to prevent people from THINKING for THEMSELVES and to sculpt the thoughts of the masses.

Ever notice how it’s always a ‘radical muslim’ who mows down people in a vechile and it’s always a ‘white supremcist’ who carries out a ‘massacre’....funny that.

Ever notice how, within ONE HOUR, the presstitutes publish the life story of the ‘perpetrator’ and their ‘plans’ for all to see.......just think about that for a moment....in one hour they know every fookin thing there is to know about this dude....amazing that.

Ever notice how there is ALMOST ALWAYS a drill of the same crisis taking place in the same location at the SAME time...wow, what a coincidence.

Ever notice how the puppet politicians almost immediately come out and start talking about a gun buyback scheme or restricting ownership....what perfect timing, couldn’t be another reason why they want to disarm the public could it....

I could go on....but my point is;  use your brain and QUESTION EVERYTHING.  Be more like NEO and less like TRUMAN(unawake truman).

Hahahaha Fuck me dead.  You're one of these 'false flag' / 'crisis actor' loonies.

Holy shit.  

Haha! :) nah, just well-informed.
Damn...your one of those ‘the authorities & media would never lie to me’ tards.  Hook, line and sinker!

I'm a 'sheeple'.

Change your user name to ‘Muz the sheeple’ ....has a certain ring to it. :)

You got that right!

Sorry couldn't resist as you linked the thread. BTW, Boca J did not say anything like what you accused him of. He just stated, quite correctly, people should validate their sources and not trust the media because the media cleverly sue words to skew a most clever slant on things.

The 2 examples he provided were correct.

(Actually, I just noticed this thread is in the wrong section - therefore shouldn't have responded)