fair play to you having your local club in your heart. Me on the other hand, I've hated that damn club ever since half ripping my ankle off on a gum tree root on that shit of a paddock. Saw an NPL stream a couple of years ago and I swear 20 years on that bloody thing is still there!

Do you reckon some of these clubs have arranged to rent A-League facilities as part of a deal to be accepted? 

Gawd a recipe for disaster - inflated cost not needed whatsoever besides most main Clubs have their own field.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/cronulla-sharks-throw-hat-in-the-ring-for-soccer-s-proposed-second-division-20230306-p5cpur.html?fbclid=IwAR18KW_WLNQeX0qMG2m3_rcwB2ySX1FhFj1uF1Us6j4djimjOjIv4KQ-JRk

So it looks like the Sutherland bid is backed by the NRL/Leagues club like the Parra Power of old. Or as the article prefers it, like the Olympic Sharks back in the day (was a hoot reading that, I'd totally forgotten about those days). These guys aren't mugs and you would think their long terkm play is to get a backdoor into the AL in the future, while paying the semi pro bill in the mean time with increased trade at the leagues club.

TBH, a leagues club backed bid would be pretty damn hard to knock off the perch as far as financial criteria is concerned. 

I think this may attract the ire of old NSL folks who seemed to be all over Parra Power as being a poorly planned leagues club play thing. I never found the criticism all that justified.

God, please no. Haven't we learnt the lesson FFS.

"The lesson" is not to be backed by an AFL club. Leagues club? Funding sports teams is what they're actually for.

Honestly guys we should be encouraging anyone to give it a go and I personally commend Cronulla sharks for throwing the dice.

NSL bitters shouldn't be gate keepers on who can enter the second division.

remember, football is for everyone

I actually commend Sutho working with a strong backer in their area, as we know the Suntherland area is huge for football all I see its a win win imo, I don't think bitters will have much say what the FA decides in the big picture.
Sharks have good resource and IF there is funds to enhance Seymour Shaw more the better.

Fraser Park FC is an interesting option if only because I did a uni assigment where I did a concept design for a small football stadium for the site many years ago.  The club has a Portuguese heritage and has been around since 1961.  At the moment one side of the pitch is being used by John Holland as a site office for the Sydney Metro project but if that area comes back to be part of the football ground it is a great little venue set in 4Ha inside a rail loop.

Would they use Seymour Shaw or the Sharks ground?

19,000 registered footballers in a population of 230,000 is phenomenal and people in the Shire are passionate about their area.

It is an option worth considering although Sydney FC might not be too happy but who cares about how this league will affect the privileged ones.

yeah. i see a lot of A-league clubs being abandoned because of the potential to one day support their heritage club in the A-league.

its pretty obvious that people absolutely despise franchise clubs being made out of thin air to fill a certain market (if i worded that right) and because of that, i dont see A-league clubs lasting long in the second division. if the bulls go, so be it.

Talking about the situation in Sydney in my lifetime, the migrant clubs did a disservice to football in the 1957 split by jettisoning the local clubs in favour of them controlling football for their own benefit.  The FFA got it wrong in 2005 by jettisoning the ethnic based clubs in favour of new football by establishing broad based clubs as a better alernative and now I fear that FA might make the mistake of resurrecting the old NSL clubs instead of doing the right thing which is establishing a competition that shows that both ethnic heritage and locality based football clubs have a place in the modern Australian football ecosystem at the elite levels.

haha the win of the century will forever keep giving :)

Ah ok re Fraser was just curious plus the geography makes that a bit of an effort, going to relos a different storey.
We're all Aussie in the big picture (well those that are officially) :)

my pref would be Seymour Shaw - their home ground but I can see what may occur.
One use Shark Park but we're playing in the winter as does the NRL.
Those grounds get chopped up as we know if games are on post NRL game, that sucks imo besides using Seymour keeps the shire DNA of Sutho's home ground.
Though I can see there may a push to play @ Shark Park and leave Seymour for their next level below teams.

Forget this in bold for sometime or never, it just won't be open and should be left alone and any AL Club being demoted, there's nothing about this going to ocur, focus is on the NST and its surrounds.

Agreed, these NSL bitters however were/are the driving force behind getting this thing off the ground as there was definitely no appetite for it in the old FFA and open hostility towards it by the current APL.... 

FWIW I think Cronulla model is a good one... Like Bohemia states above, getting funding of the Leagues club behind their push is a little different than the old abominations of Carlton SC and Collingwood Warriors....  I just hope the local Cronulla population has moved on from their bogan effnik bashing riot days.

too true re the history Flytox.
Crying shame but how the cards have fallen, so many old scares and recent ones.
Both entities have caused much harm in the big picture moving ahead with all the background intel and hindsight 2023 I sure hope the FA have a farfar better grip and understanding how to structure the NST and below work alot more co hesive and inclusive so every sector knows where they stand and direction.
Sure we're gonna have some speed humps and roundabouts over the 1st year and more but please be ready for corrective actions from the get go and less talk when it matters.

Ha ha oh trust me I hated them for many many years after I was dropped.
Not going to go into it coz I genuinely still get angry at how that went down aha
But I have a tiny soft spot and drive past there every morning on my way to work

People (not referring to Butler) not from here don't remember how/when United came about or the fact we pre-date all this bullshit NSL effniks vs new dawners crap.

I think most people have moved on from that.
What we don't don't understand is the Sydney United fans (the Nazi ones) & why is Sth Melbourne hellas v Preston Macedonia a grudge match in Australian Football (no not AFL, which is not football to me).

Yes I can imagine that win will live on in the memory of all Liverpool fans 7 nil against your biggest rival is massive.

Maybe just me, yes distance was always an effort, maybe if my old man felt the need to go out to Fraser park when I was a kid so he could stand with his cronies & watch football & talk of days gone by I may have felt different, but I never felt the need. I always thought from even a young age I would cheer for Socceroos over Portugal anyway.
Again, maybe because I didn't live near any other Portuguese people (only family) I became an Aussie fairly quickly & it wasn't till my 20s that I really felt my Portuguese heritage a bit more. However in football that just meant I just understood the history of Eusebio & then followed Futre, Figo, Deco & then the great one King Ronnie. Just never needed a Fraser park like club.

Thats good mate, Ive never been there the only thing I know about Cronulla is the riots.

Same.

Think the Frankston of Sydney. Southern most suburb of the city, Physically a nice place, but the water, but stereotypically a similar demographic. These days a fair bit of money in the area though, as is the case in vast swaths of Sydney tbh 

I remember when someone on here suggested the next A League franchise should be called the Cronulla Riots - classic!

Cronulla is not a bogan hellhole though. Really nice part of Southern Sydney. Very big football area.

Those fuckheads involved in the riot were whipped up and egged on by right wing nutjobs for weeks before any of that shit went down. And whilst they were a bunch of fuckheads for carrying on the way they did the lebs that were going down to the beaches causing a ruckus every weekend didn't do themselves any favours.

For what it’s worth Frankston is actually pretty nice too in parts, there are many multi million dollar properties down there  

Fair enough.

That was not at a football ground. It was also rightly condemned.

You unfortunately will never get it, it's not the effnick clubs, it's the fans fighting their fathers or homeland fights.

High numbers of Europeans across the Sutherland Shire, which includes suburbs such as Cronulla, Caringbah, Gymea/Bay, Sutherland etc
Without going into the riots issue of the day, the perceived 'non Australian' element caused contiuous trouble. over a long period of time down the beach and it went from there. The perpetrators were not from the Shire, without pointing out the areas they were infact from. It happened in and around Cronulla Beach because the beach attracts all sorts, the good, bad and then some. 
Sutherland area has a massive soccer interest, for many years, with thet highest number of junior teams in a given area. This is the area that would accomodate an A League team easily. Sydney fc are about an hour or more away from this basin, as they train at Ryde, N/E of Sydney. Allianz Stadium is in the City East area, nowhere near the Southern Suburbs of Cronulla Sutherland.