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+x+x+x+xThe interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s. However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.
no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys. It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club. Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken. Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City. I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10. I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend. 90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights. By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours. Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage. It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement. It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them. Anyway (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). I always find this bit so interesting. I'm sure there are many cultural cues others might notice I don't. Even when it comes down to language. When my wife is with me and I hear something in Italian I genuinely forget that I understood it unthinkingly but she had no idea what was happening. Having said that there's not much in modern Italo-Australian culture that would seem altogether "abnormal" to MOST normal people. It's probably only how loud people speak that is the real shock :laugh:
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+x+x+x+x+xThe interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s. However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.
no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys. It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club. Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken. Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City. I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10. I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend. 90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights. By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours. Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage. It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement. It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them. Anyway (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). I always find this bit so interesting. I'm sure there are many cultural cues others might notice I don't. Even when it comes down to language. When my wife is with me and I hear something in Italian I genuinely forget that I understood it unthinkingly but she had no idea what was happening. Having said that there's not much in modern Italo-Australian culture that would seem altogether "abnormal" to MOST normal people. It's probably only how loud people speak that is the real shock :laugh: The old “omg what were you guys fighting about?” “….What do you mean? We were just talking”
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+x+x+x+x+xThe interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s. However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.
no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys. It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club. Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken. Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City. I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10. I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend. 90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights. By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours. Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage. It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement. It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them. Anyway (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). I always find this bit so interesting. I'm sure there are many cultural cues others might notice I don't. Even when it comes down to language. When my wife is with me and I hear something in Italian I genuinely forget that I understood it unthinkingly but she had no idea what was happening. Having said that there's not much in modern Italo-Australian culture that would seem altogether "abnormal" to MOST normal people. It's probably only how loud people speak that is the real shock :laugh: Absolutely! I remember the first time I went to see my relos in Italy and saw how much the decor in their houses matched my grandparents. There were a few things that were obvious (like the salotto that was only for special guests) but the extent was genuinely surprising to me :laugh: The only difference was that they had way less space because they live in cramped apartments.
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nice to see mcjules make an appearance might I add, must have been the wog calling amongst us all hahaha j/k fellas. Davide I see this quite reflective what I had mentioned earlier about - that league, now thankfully having Glenardo explaining the differences from his pov between our States relating to football at either level and polar opposites you can understand where I'm coming from bit more. I relate to all the Italian posts by the way (some very funny) but a gen and 2 older than alot of you, pretty much robbos era by my assumptions though portugese. What I can't stand here and now this era, the small % SU young supporters who have NOTHING relating to the ol days to behave as such - they are the cancer period and just as alot of active support round those age groups they are NOT there for the FOOTBALL in the first place really grrrrrrrrrrr I dislike what this behaviour brings to the Club, NO Club can control these flogs at the time when their actions occur, its all too late in any case been recorded and for all to see, just as the RBB and the MV/Cove idiots when they lose the plot. There are way more well behaved euro background Aussies that behave veryvery well compared to the mugs, I get sic of the same ol same ol bs bringing up long ago and belittle as some posters do, bullying smug posting they call it today. They are just as childish as the small % who need bans and out of the game.
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s. However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.
no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys. It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club. Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken. Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City. I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10. I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend. 90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights. By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours. Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage. It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement. It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them. Anyway (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). I always find this bit so interesting. I'm sure there are many cultural cues others might notice I don't. Even when it comes down to language. When my wife is with me and I hear something in Italian I genuinely forget that I understood it unthinkingly but she had no idea what was happening. Having said that there's not much in modern Italo-Australian culture that would seem altogether "abnormal" to MOST normal people. It's probably only how loud people speak that is the real shock :laugh: Absolutely! I remember the first time I went to see my relos in Italy and saw how much the decor in their houses matched my grandparents. There were a few things that were obvious (like the salotto that was only for special guests) but the extent was genuinely surprising to me :laugh: The only difference was that they had way less space because they live in cramped apartments.
at the risk of turning this thread into a wog love in; Yea have also experienced this, I didn’t know how Italian many of these things were until i went to Italy for the first time
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+x+x+x+x+x+xThe interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s. However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.
no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys. It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club. Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken. Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City. I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10. I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend. 90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights. By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours. Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage. It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement. It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them. Anyway (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). I always find this bit so interesting. I'm sure there are many cultural cues others might notice I don't. Even when it comes down to language. When my wife is with me and I hear something in Italian I genuinely forget that I understood it unthinkingly but she had no idea what was happening. Having said that there's not much in modern Italo-Australian culture that would seem altogether "abnormal" to MOST normal people. It's probably only how loud people speak that is the real shock :laugh: The old “omg what were you guys fighting about?” “….What do you mean? We were just talking” Ahahaa exactly.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xThe interesting thing about some of the old Italian clubs is that they stopped being strongly Italian decades ago, and those born in Italy are now in their 80s and 90s. However, 3rd and 4th generation Italo-Australians do retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, might in fact support an NSD club with an Italian heritage, even if it's just to have a Peroni, eat arancini and sing Volare at half time.
no idea how is it in Adelaide re Adelaide city, perhaps Davide can enlighten us Not much insight outside the Cup game vs United sorry guys. It was about what you expect there. A few of the old boys clinging on and then a 60 year gap to a bunch of 12-15 year olds associated with the club. Same old tracksuits and hair as the 90s but still didn't hear much Italian being spoken. Again though, I'm not the man to ask for insight on Adelaide City. I remember watching the grand final (1992??) that "we" won on penalties when I was about 10. I went to a game or two down the years but in those days dad and I both played soccer all weekend. 90% of our tv soccer came from the world game on Sundays waiting for Serie A highlights. By the time United came around in my early 20s there was a massive buzz here. I fell in love with local football and there was no internet (EDIT - mobile based social media I mean) so I was never called a plastic for abandoning the team I watched a few times as a kid aha To someone not on the inside it was basically the same Adelaide City players in different colours. Everyone was super grateful to still have a team on the national stage. It can only have been the hardest of the hard core City that didn't caught up in the excitement. It just was what it was. City were dead just like Hellas before them. Anyway (with the small caveat that being of italian heritage, some things just seem "normal" to me that others might not). I always find this bit so interesting. I'm sure there are many cultural cues others might notice I don't. Even when it comes down to language. When my wife is with me and I hear something in Italian I genuinely forget that I understood it unthinkingly but she had no idea what was happening. Having said that there's not much in modern Italo-Australian culture that would seem altogether "abnormal" to MOST normal people. It's probably only how loud people speak that is the real shock :laugh: Absolutely! I remember the first time I went to see my relos in Italy and saw how much the decor in their houses matched my grandparents. There were a few things that were obvious (like the salotto that was only for special guests) but the extent was genuinely surprising to me :laugh: The only difference was that they had way less space because they live in cramped apartments.
at the risk of turning this thread into a wog love in; Yea have also experienced this, I didn’t know how Italian many of these things were until i went to Italy for the first time Totally agree with mcjules too. First time I set foot in nonno's brothers apartment in Rome it was like being in a condensed version of Nonno's house. It was quite remarkable. Down to the crockery aha
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+xDavide I see this quite reflective what I had mentioned earlier about - that league, now thankfully having Glenardo explaining the differences from his pov between our States relating to football at either level and polar opposites you can understand where I'm coming from bit more. I did know where you were coming from don't worry
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Ok, plenty of Eyeties here it seems who could provide some advice. I'm heading off to Trieste next month, staying at a resort ;) , meeting up with acquaintances and might go and watch Udinese for the fun of it. Any tips on what else goes on in that part of the world?
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Not sure where this thread has got to, but the FFA is advertising for a “General Manager - National Second Tier”.
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+xNot sure where this thread has got to, but the FFA is advertising for a “General Manager - National Second Tier”. Time to get back to the thread. The success of the NST will depend on how well it is managed. IMHO these are some consideration points: 1 Given a requirement for an NST team is full time professional players, it would better to have more games than fewer as it would not be wise to have to pay players to twiddle their thumbs for 6 months. My view 14 -16 teams would be ideal. Also, it would imprudent to insist on all players to be on a professional contract. At this level i believe the league should have a greater percentage of youths trying to prove themselves. 2 The NST should try to minimize competition with the A league. I suggest April to November/December. 3 Free to air TV coverage is crucial. I suggest SBS even if what they offer is not much. I am disappointed with what has been dished out by the commercial stations. Their heart is not in it. They are certainly NOT true believers. It is more important to build an image than just grabbing the money and being allocated a poor for time slot. 4. Clubs should not be forced to play in stadiums way above their capacity needs. 5 A few years will be needed for the NST to settle down before P&L with the A-League can be considered. Hopefully by then the A-League will have at least 14 team.
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+x+x+xdo retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, I always found this funny among the wogs at school in the 90s. Mostly 2nd generation (or barely 3rd). I spoke fluent Italian, spoke literally half/half until I went to school, spent every night after school at nonno's and half the weekend , knew about italian history and music/art etc yet my mum's an Aussie (who lived in Italy and spoke fluent too) Most of the wogs at school thought being Italian was having slick hair, saying fungu lu pesc in bad Neapolitan accents and yet they would give ME shit (mostly in jest but not always) for "wanting to be a skip or a dogger" because I was friends with the guys that were into rock n roll and smoking ahaha It's a funny old world Yea re bettega obviously goes without saying that’s a generalisation and it’s obviously a case by case thing, very much depends on the family etc. re davide, kinda comparable experience for me. My father came out at the very end of the big wave in the 70s, most families came in the 50s-60s. I was first Gen born here, where as most people my age it was their grand parents who were the link back to italy. So despite actually speaking the language, having a grasp of the actual culture of the place and having strong connections to Italy itself with family still living there etc it was often said I didn’t “seem” Italian because I didn’t wear trackies and talk a certain way. Also I don’t “look like” what most people think of When they think of the archetypal Italian and my father is from Rome where as most Italo-Australians trace their ancestry back to the south, Naples, Calabria, Sicily et For what it’s worth, working somewhat comically stereotypically in a pizzeria, I can confirm that there’s been a sharp uptick in Italian migration to Sydney Atleast in the past decade as the economic Situation in Italy worsens again, especially for the youth. Probably less pronounced in Adelaide I’d imagine I live and work in Europe. At my previous company we had a sizable Italian language support team which I had some business with. The North v South thing among them was quite frankly a better reason to come to work every morning than the paycheque. For what it's worth, I grew up in Adelaide and went to school in a predominantly italian area in the north east. Probably 50/50 italians to the rest. Having lived in Europe amongst Italians-in-Europe (but not in Italy, but I mean people who never in some way were culturally changed by being in Australia) - these Italians are absolutely nothing like the Aussies. Don't mean it to deried, but mean it in the sense that "nationality" is very much a spectrum in the case of Aussieifed migrants. And also FWIW, people of my ancestry in no way consider me to be one of them either.
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To get this thing back on to the NSD and the clubs, I'd like to point out a few things that maybe get lost in between the cracks of the whole efnik v aussie thing.
As a kid in Adealaide, I followed Adelaide City then I followed Adelaide United. I'm not Italian by ancestry, but this wasn't a consideration in following Adelaide City over West Adelaide despite living in the West. It was all about the players. That Adelaide City side was something to be proud of considering the callibre of players that were in that side.
The whole idea of broad based clubs really ignores some of the experiences of Aussies and makes the wrong things important. I don't find Adelaide City to be non inclusive because it has a heritage tied to a single club in a single country. The things I find relatable are very similar to how I grew up as a 1st gen immigrant Aussie. Italians that came over post WW2 worked their asses off and spoke the same broken English my parents did. They faced the same challenges getting employement and getting acceptance from what was at the time a pretty forboding culture to try to assimilate into (despite the insistance that they must do so). I find this set of things a whole lot more relatable than a club that tries to be "proper" aussie or "more proper than the rest brit".
I'm now facing the prospect of rekindling my interest in City and have the choice before me that I didn't - choosing between City and AU playing in the same football league system. I kind of relish the opportunity to follow a shameless proper wog club and relive the culture of the game that has been missing in the AL era. And the AL clubs have done their best in their closed shop environment to drag the game away from actual football people and toward someone's fiction of what "real" Australia should be.
Overriding all of this, there's also the consideration that whichever club I go out to support, it has to just have the passion and play the game in a way I find identifiable. I loved the mungrel of the early AU sides and how they wouldn't take a step back to sides like Sydney FC (albeit, bent over and took it fkn proper from Melbourne in those days). And overriding this again, the most important thing is I just want clubs in Australia playing good football. If people can't relate to the game on the level of the game, then why are we even here?
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Time will tell about its success, but JJ sure says the right things, and that's a much better thing than Gallop and Lowy who only ever wanted to tell us "we're different so we're not doing that".
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yer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15
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+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best.
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+x+x+x+xdo retain some affection for Italy, and although they can't speak a word of Italian, I always found this funny among the wogs at school in the 90s. Mostly 2nd generation (or barely 3rd). I spoke fluent Italian, spoke literally half/half until I went to school, spent every night after school at nonno's and half the weekend , knew about italian history and music/art etc yet my mum's an Aussie (who lived in Italy and spoke fluent too) Most of the wogs at school thought being Italian was having slick hair, saying fungu lu pesc in bad Neapolitan accents and yet they would give ME shit (mostly in jest but not always) for "wanting to be a skip or a dogger" because I was friends with the guys that were into rock n roll and smoking ahaha It's a funny old world Yea re bettega obviously goes without saying that’s a generalisation and it’s obviously a case by case thing, very much depends on the family etc. re davide, kinda comparable experience for me. My father came out at the very end of the big wave in the 70s, most families came in the 50s-60s. I was first Gen born here, where as most people my age it was their grand parents who were the link back to italy. So despite actually speaking the language, having a grasp of the actual culture of the place and having strong connections to Italy itself with family still living there etc it was often said I didn’t “seem” Italian because I didn’t wear trackies and talk a certain way. Also I don’t “look like” what most people think of When they think of the archetypal Italian and my father is from Rome where as most Italo-Australians trace their ancestry back to the south, Naples, Calabria, Sicily et For what it’s worth, working somewhat comically stereotypically in a pizzeria, I can confirm that there’s been a sharp uptick in Italian migration to Sydney Atleast in the past decade as the economic Situation in Italy worsens again, especially for the youth. Probably less pronounced in Adelaide I’d imagine I live and work in Europe. At my previous company we had a sizable Italian language support team which I had some business with. The North v South thing among them was quite frankly a better reason to come to work every morning than the paycheque. For what it's worth, I grew up in Adelaide and went to school in a predominantly italian area in the north east. Probably 50/50 italians to the rest. Having lived in Europe amongst Italians-in-Europe (but not in Italy, but I mean people who never in some way were culturally changed by being in Australia) - these Italians are absolutely nothing like the Aussies. Don't mean it to deried, but mean it in the sense that "nationality" is very much a spectrum in the case of Aussieifed migrants. And also FWIW, people of my ancestry in no way consider me to be one of them either. Extremely similar to the Greek perspective mate... Especially noticeable in the last decade or so (post GFC) New Greek migrants scratch their heads at some of the cultural idioms we have adopted here .... AS do our "cousins" in Canada, the states, South Africa etc..... Its actually a very interesting topic.
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+xTo get this thing back on to the NSD and the clubs, I'd like to point out a few things that maybe get lost in between the cracks of the whole efnik v aussie thing. As a kid in Adealaide, I followed Adelaide City then I followed Adelaide United. I'm not Italian by ancestry, but this wasn't a consideration in following Adelaide City over West Adelaide despite living in the West. It was all about the players. That Adelaide City side was something to be proud of considering the callibre of players that were in that side. The whole idea of broad based clubs really ignores some of the experiences of Aussies and makes the wrong things important. I don't find Adelaide City to be non inclusive because it has a heritage tied to a single club in a single country. The things I find relatable are very similar to how I grew up as a 1st gen immigrant Aussie. Italians that came over post WW2 worked their asses off and spoke the same broken English my parents did. They faced the same challenges getting employement and getting acceptance from what was at the time a pretty forboding culture to try to assimilate into (despite the insistance that they must do so). I find this set of things a whole lot more relatable than a club that tries to be "proper" aussie or "more proper than the rest brit". I'm now facing the prospect of rekindling my interest in City and have the choice before me that I didn't - choosing between City and AU playing in the same football league system. I kind of relish the opportunity to follow a shameless proper wog club and relive the culture of the game that has been missing in the AL era. And the AL clubs have done their best in their closed shop environment to drag the game away from actual football people and toward someone's fiction of what "real" Australia should be. Overriding all of this, there's also the consideration that whichever club I go out to support, it has to just have the passion and play the game in a way I find identifiable. I loved the mungrel of the early AU sides and how they wouldn't take a step back to sides like Sydney FC (albeit, bent over and took it fkn proper from Melbourne in those days). And overriding this again, the most important thing is I just want clubs in Australia playing good football. If people can't relate to the game on the level of the game, then why are we even here? Awesome post..... great to get your perspective. Thanks.
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:) Best part of that for me: "FA will include the NST, either as a standalone or part of a package with national teams and the Australia Cup when it returns to the market in August or September in preparation for its deal with Ten & Paramount expiring at end of 2024"
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+xNot sure where this thread has got to, but the FFA is advertising for a “General Manager - National Second Tier”. Nice......
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+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them?
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+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making.
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+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues
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+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest
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+x+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest Or maybe they HAVE accountants to advise them.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest Or maybe they HAVE accountants to advise them. Yes, lol.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest Or maybe they HAVE accountants to advise them. The NSD is a positive thing and we have enough positive voices and energies to take it forward. So, you're negative. Cool. this is the direction we're moving in anyway... 32 clubs put their name forward. Let's focus on one who didn't......................................................................... yeahnah
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest Or maybe they HAVE accountants to advise them. The NSD is a positive thing and we have enough positive voices and energies to take it forward. So, you're negative. Cool. this is the direction we're moving in anyway... 32 clubs put their name forward. Let's focus on one who didn't......................................................................... yeahnah I think were all with you but all discussions are on the table. It is a tremendous shame that a club like Lions FC didn't express their interest. I'm shocked actually. It's like not having a Sydney FC in the A-League from a NST perspective. Best thing that's happened in a very long time with the inclusion of an additional professional tier.
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+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+xyer agreed re JJ and the past as mentioned, I hope he talks the talk......... On the other hand browsing last night I came across the below and LionsFC - quoting : However, Lions general manager Rob Scanlon said the club wasn’t prepared to take the financial risk. “We don’t see it as being financially viable,” said Scanlon, who added that it would cost $2.2m to $2.5m each year to fund a team under FA’s model. Lions FC is a dominant force in the NPL Queensland competition. It is also the “parent club” of A-League franchise Brisbane Roar, but is no longer associated with them. Scanlon admitted the financial crisis Lions found themselves in after funding the Roar was also a reason for rejecting the national second division proposal. “It’s probably a case of once bitten, twice shy,” he said.
IN bold doesn't surprise me, wonder what their cost blowout was.......
https://www.news.com.au/sport/football/lions-fc-makes-shock-decision-to-reject-national-second-division-model/news-story/9c4d6f1fe71b361566ed4a8db3089f15 Big fish in a small pond. If that floats your boat Scanlon, all the best. Are you having a crack at them because they don't consider going into the NST a financially responsible proposition?? It doesn't lack any ambition. It's about doing what's right for the club. And if the numbers don't stack up then that is their call. From what I hear about the Lions they'd be among the first selected on the list of which clubs should be in the NST. Perhaps they set aside the ego and FOMO prevalent at other clubs and decided against it. With so much uncertainty about what the NST looks like, how can you blame them? The Lions are big and can (and already have in the past) lived in a big pond. It's a matter of learning through history by them. Yes agree, they'd be one of the first 2 or 3 to be picked for the NST if they had put up their hand. I just hope the FA can learn from history in their decision making. Maybe they just feel awkward being a sperm donor with all its little kids running around in the national leagues Or maybe they have better accountants than the rest Or maybe they HAVE accountants to advise them. The NSD is a positive thing and we have enough positive voices and energies to take it forward. So, you're negative. Cool. this is the direction we're moving in anyway... 32 clubs put their name forward. Let's focus on one who didn't......................................................................... yeahnah I think were all with you but all discussions are on the table. It is a tremendous shame that a club like Lions FC didn't express their interest. I'm shocked actually. It's like not having a Sydney FC in the A-League from a NST perspective. Best thing that's happened in a very long time with the inclusion of an additional professional tier. Lions FC didn't join AAFC either.  They don't have the appetite. This was confirmed by the GM of the Lions when I heard him interviewed on FNR a number of years back. The question at the time was "would you consider going for another AL license" and it was a 99.9% never again type response. This was before mention of an NSD/Championship and even before AAFC was founded.
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