Watching Four Corners, fucking hell.

-PB

Disrespectful little shits coping some tough love. Maybe that's what we need down here.

That's not tough love, that's fucking Gitmo.

-PB

Holy fucking shit, that is fucked

Did you actually see the Four Corners story or were you being a smart arse?

Cowboys with badges.

I'm interested who filmed some of that footage. Like surely they knew what they were doing was illegal. I understand the CCTV footage but others looked captured with a camera...

Wait to see if the Royal Commission gets the balls to do a public session on the Sydney Boys Homes.

This will be nothing in comparison.

Someone who had a conscience, if they work in the jail system they were probably scared of repercussions from their superiors

That's right.

And here I am.

Wait, what?!

has anyone watched a series called "outback kids"That was on the ABC a couple of years ago.

It was a very interesting series about a man who runs a facility in the Northern Territory for at risk kids. It was very much a rehab centre rather then detention.

Very good series.

Pretty bad.

Edited by Socawho: 26/7/2016 12:25:54 AM

that Dylan kid needs to be given a break, fuck me. Footage of them stripping him when he was only like 12 is fucked.

A kid his age shouldn't even be in a secure facility to start with.

How bout the fact they moved them to an adult prison (unlawful) that was full of asbestos lol?

-PB

This is over the top. I hope they reprimand and throw the book at those involved.

I'm all for severe punishment because fuck people but this is torture. What are they going to achieve? These little shits will come out more resentful than when they went in. How does that help anyone?

Sadly people dont care. Hell some people are saying they are men and rioted so they deserve it. No this is toture. I wonder why we dont use the Scandinavian way of proper rehab.

In Scandanavia they give mass murders playstations.

I have a problem with protecting people with a system that they wilfully disrespected.

I have no problem with corporal punishment. You reap what you sow. I do have a problem with the torture of children.

Royal commission called by Malcolm this morning, must be one of the fastest ever.

-PB

Mustn't be any donors on the payroll.

Again noone cares . A lot of comments I've heard or read have been vile. Yes they are in prison but to toture kids isnt going to make them rehabilitated .

Just watched it. Not exactly something that you want to watch over your morning coffee and toast.

I agree to a certain extent that there are some kids who do deserve a bit of tough love. But what happened at this Don Dale facility is nothing short of torture. You start doing that to adult prisoners who have committed similar crimes as these kids, and you wouldn't get away with it. Kids like these unfortunately are never given a chance in life and turn to a life of crime. Inevitably, they never get the help they need from a psychological or emotional level, and as a result they fall back into routines of recidivism. Those kids who were placed into solitary and abused like that, they'll never be the same. They'll definitely not be rehabilitated.

Unfortunately, with systematic abuse like that the rot starts from the top, and there's no doubt that they Minister for Corrections in the NT was aware of this, and has clearly done nothing. The only way this will be fixed is if it does go Federal. And even then, it's going to take a lot of work.

That is not tough love. This is torture. A lot of people need some tough love at times but what these kids went thru is messed up

I'm a pretty cynical person, but this has shocked me - its one thing to over-react to a situation and belt a kid (not that it is justified). But that photo of the kid strapped the chair with the bag over his head is just completely appalling.

As mentioned elsewhere, this is something you expect in Guantanamo Bay. And it makes me fear what else is going to come out about what has gone on there.

If torture is systemic and rife, you'd have to say there is a fair possibility for s-xual abuse to have occurred as well.

Completely appalling.

And yet , some people are justifying this .

Ballsy.

Very but some people who work in prisons do have a conscience and are parents themselves. Yes prison can be brutal but that is distirbing

Yeah I was tucking into a tub of ice cream lol...

-PB

Daruk, Mt Penang , Yasmar, Kinchella

surely this isn't the only youth centre in Australia being run like this. there probably needs to be a full review of all facilities in the country.

I'm surprised there wasn't any allegations of sexual abuse, surely there would be centers where that is an issue.

You're always on about torturing people and harvesting organs.

Wouldn't this be right up your alley?

How do you think torturing adults in prison is going to provide any sort of a different outcome?

Child Abuse Royal Commision are sitting on a tonne of evidence,

Feds, for whatever reason :-k are only being given some of it, and they're struggling to investigate the load.

Problems arise when Judiciary and Police start getting named but the Judiciary and Police have been excluded from the RC's terms of reference (wonder why ?)

Once Judges, Lawyers and Police get implicated, lots of convictions start looking unsound.

Northern Territory corrections minister was fired immediately this morning. The fallout from this is going to be huge. In a good way.

Fucking good.

The way he weaselled when question on that shit was deplorable.

-PB

Weasels love rabbit holes, get ready for the ride.

Agreed. He had the most blase, could not really give a shit attitude about the whole thing. As if it was one big joke.

I was just watching SKY news talking about this, I think i heard that he had been stood down as corrections minister but still oversees a number of other portfolios. He still very much has a job

Idk maybe i heard them wrong.

I'm all for killing and harvesting but torture is just unnecessary.

Unless it's rapists or kiddy fiddlers.....

Edited by bethfc: 26/7/2016 03:01:33 PM

Edited by bethfc: 26/7/2016 03:01:44 PM

Is the youth justice system in the NT any different to the other states?

If the states are all the same surely this is an Australia wide issue not just the NT.

Talk sure is cheap.

'Tougher on crime, more punishment, judges are too soft and don't live in the real world, kids needs a good clip around the earhole, back in my day'. Blah blah blah.

Video of kids belted up. SHOCK HORROR, POOR KID!!.

Well wait on a minute, wasn't everyone saying how soft we are on crime?

Happy for them to get belted up just don't video it? Is that what we're saying?

To be honest these kids aren't in there because little Johnny got busted stealing a pack of lifesavers. They're hard core ferals.

More horrific is the abuse dished out to pure innocent children that's coming out day after day in the sexual abuse royal commission. A 12 year old being told he has going to have his first period after a broomstick was shoved up his arse. Kids buggered by filthy old men, kids made to eat their own vomit, kids forced to stand for hours on end in corners, kids belted with whips and belts, kids forced to sleep in urine soaked mattresses.

Save your bleating for those poor buggers.

The punishment dished out to the ferals is no doubt OTT but the vast majority of bleaters here has whinged in the past about how soft we are on crime and how punishment is a joke.

Now this shit is real everyone is horrified. Don't you think these jail wardens mix and socialise and go to the same BBQ's you go to, listen for hours on end to everyone whinging about how soft judges are, how something should be done?

Of course they do and this is the end result. You're all complicit.

Apparently the kid in the main video going viral (with the spit mask on) was in there for a 24 hour crime rampage while high on ice.

He was the main focus of the episode last night. He was first sent to jail at 11, the physical abuse started then, they showed clips of it.

He was obviously already damaged from an early age as a "normal" 11 year doesn't go to jail.

What he needed was a councilor, not 3 grown men pinning him down and pulling his underwear off and being thrown against a brick wall.

Do we not have any government programs to offer counselling? Is it either a chaplain as part of Tony Abbots grant or nothing at school?

An 11 or 12 year old doesn't have the mental capacity to know the consequences of their actions when stealing a car. A grown adult does.

is going for a joy ride or stealing a tv at 11 or 12 serious enough to condemn them to life in prison?

You cannot treat child offenders the same as adults. Because if you do you fast track them straight to the adult jail and any hope of a normal life is extinguished.

Doesn't have the mental capacity?!

Ever had a 12 year old tell you to go fuck yourself?

They know full well what they're doing.

What are you going to say next? An 18 year old shouldn't be locked up for murder because his brain doesn't fully mature until his mid 20's?

The kids in this facility are most likely not coming from a safe, supportive family environment to start with. From the moment they were born, they were never given a chance to thrive

There is a need for a facility to house these boys, but no where in that facility should there be dungeons where the are locked up for 23 hours a day.

They need to be looked after by doctors and counselors not MMA fighters.

:roll:

I work for an organisation that looks after Children in State Care (many who are in and out of Juvie)

Our Staff get told that and worse all the time and much more but, believe it or not, they don't punch the kid as a reply

I'm not arguing that champ. I'm saying they know full well what they're doing.

As for an 11 year old being sent to Juvie there is no way that he was sent there without a shitload of intervention / counselling / programs / carers etc etc.

These kids aren't plonked in juvenile detention after their first arrest. They've been in and out of the court system for years.

Some of the little shits would run rings around you and me.

And you know what? If some little 12 year old belted my wife and ran off with her purse I'd flog the little shit if I caught up with him.

And I don't care what you and your PC SJW mates think about that.

I think you will find that is not the case.

Well do tell.

I just watched that. I found it hard enough to work at a boarding school full of troubled kids that wanted to be anywhere but there. This was fucking horrifying to watch.

Throwing a child to the ground, stripping him down whilst several guards hold him down with their full body weight. You can only imagine what the boy thinks is going to happen to him next...........

Any person is going to be mentally fucked for life after an experience like that and that's before you get to the extended periods of solitary confinement in a shitpit, the asbestos ridden building, the beatings by guards, indiscriminate use of tear gas, the mechanical restraints, the spit masks. Then you realise that this is being done to fucking kids and you're left with no words.

Yeah certainly not right

Pretty sure I've seen this in America on the Jail shows when they cant control the prisoner etc Mask to stop them spitting and a chair to restrain them.

Thats a 14 year old boy who threatened self harm, not a full grown serial killer.

And Youll probably find he was acting out because he was sick of being assaulted by MMA fighters from the age of 11

Edited by roar #1: 26/7/2016 05:46:51 PM

lets see how the do gooders get outraged to this

In 3
2
1...

FFS! Its detention, what did people expect?

Did you watch 4 corners?

Why should I? :roll:

Edited by condemned666: 26/7/2016 06:07:52 PM

Because then you might understand why people are upset about this and are demanding change.

Watch some of the footage of how this boy was treated since the age of 11 by MMA fighters, some of the gaurds are trained MMA fighters in that centre and they let him know it.

Yeah why should I be informed on this sensitive issue that i'm talking shit about? Being wilfully ignorant is the only way i stay relevant on here.

Fucking clown

Spare a thought for Dylan. Still in Jail with the perpetrators.

Hope the publicity keeps him safe.

What did he get convicted of btw ive seen only snippets.

yeah fuck me, i couldn't believe it when they kept showing footage of him year after year getting fucked over

Cant remember initial conviction he got at age 11, wasn't major dont think.

but hes had multiple stints in there. but really when your institutionalized at 11 or 12, what hope do you have?

Its good to have one show on TV that investigates real stories.
This is actually an old story that nobody wanted to take seriously until Four corners made it impossible to look away from.
=d>

Too many smart arses on here that like shooting their mouths off.

Don't need to be a serial killer for the mask and being strapped to the chair. This is done in America in the Jail/watchhouse, the one before they are even sentenced and sent to prison. It is justified when someone is spitting and acting out with violent behaviour.

Is there any footage of them actually assaulting him though? I get that he is a troubled teenager and has had a rough life and the guards are some bad eggs but lets not get carried away. The spotlight has been shown on them and they will hopefully get what coming to them, but as they say there is always two sides to the story.

....

Edited by RDSA: 26/7/2016 07:26:01 PM

Usually when stories like this emerge there would have been a trade off for the story to leak

Probably needs to happen here more often, restore order amongst youth

Absolutely, multiple clips.

One of him being held by his neck and thrown into his cell, another being punched in the face and kneed in the ribs, 2 clips of him having a man pinning him on the ground as another pulls his underwear off. Plus being pepper sprayed while securely locked in his isolation cell and left in there for 7 minutes struggling to breathe as the guards stand around laughing

4 corners isnt working off hear say or eye witness accounts, they have footage of it happening.

:roll:

How does locking a child in a concrete cell for years make him a better person on release? its doesnt

The current prison system for adults and children is flawed, it doesn't work.

Prison needs to be equal parts punishment and rehabilitation.

The public will benefit greatly from the increased rehab of criminals rather then locking them away and thinking the problem is fixed, infact it really makes it worse.

The footage of that kid in the chair actually shows the guards talking to him, reassuring him, asking if the straps are OK and explaining why they're doing it before they left him there.

Roar#1 won't tell you that though.

Lets not get too misty eyed.

Poor Dylan, poor bubby. Cry me a fucking river.



Dylan admits he did wrong. As a football-loving teenager who ended up committing a 24-hour crime spree while high on ice.

“He’s been in and out of jail from the age of 11, 10,” Kira told ABC radio. “That’s half of his whole life.”

But the young teenager had a troubled past.

The youth worker told news.com.au that the then 14-year-old had “underlying trauma” and had been in trouble with the NT Police as a juvenile.

A youth justice advocacy project worker had reported that Dylan had suffered “anger issues” and had a “propensity to spit”.

Then on February 7, 2014, Dylan got drunk and “high on ice” and with two other young men went on a 24-hour crime spree, attacking two men and a police officer.

It was during his incarceration following being found guilty for this series of incidents that Dylan was placed in restraints and the spit hood in the now infamous Don Dale Youth Detention Centre in Darwin.

ABC-TV’s Four Corners showed images of Dylan hooded and strapped into a mechanical restraint chair for almost two hours in March 2015, when he was serving a total of two years and three months’ minimum sentence.

Dylan’s spree began in Alice Spring’s iconic Todd Street, where he and the two other young men tried to rob a man walking to work.

A court later heard that Dylan, then a slightly built teen, ran bare-chested at the man, yelling “you fat white racist dog. You yelled at us”.

[size=7]The three teens took the man’s wallet, knocked him to the pavement and kicked him in the ribs[/size].

Still high on drugs the following day, the boys ambushed Luke McIntyre near a store where the 17-year-old was trying to buy cigarettes.

[size=7]Dylan struck him with a mop handle, punched him in the face and stole his wallet. McIntyre was bashed unconscious, then his three assailants fled in a Holden Commodore[/size].

[size=7]Dylan was behind the wheel and tried to run down a “terrified” Constable Gerard Reardon who had ordered the trio to stop.[/size]

[size=7]On August 13, 2014, Northern Territory Supreme Court Justice Peter Barr sentenced Dylan to a maximum of three years and eight months for attempted robbery, aggravated robbery and recklessly endangering serious harm.[/size]

Dylan, who was already in custody, had a 20 month non-parole period to serve. Justice Barr noted that the 16-year-old had a very troubled past, [size=7]dating back to when he was an 11-year-old and had committed more than 50 offences, including crimes of violence, over five years[/size].

Placed in custody in the Don Dale centre, [size=7]Dylan was regarded as a “notorious” juvenile prisoner.[/size]





Edited by toughlove: 26/7/2016 08:49:48 PM

So Toughlove, does that article not tell us that the justice system failed?

Isnt locking a child away for years meant to "fix them" or make them better people ?clearly that didnt work

And tbh the footage of him strapped to the chair is the least disturbing part of the programme, I can see incidents where that would be appropriate.

Yeah and i'm sure beating and mentally torturing young offenders is definitely going minimise their chance of re-offending and make them mentally capable of reintegrating properly with their community. I'm sure society is just stoked that they will have to continue to pay for this cycle of institutionalised criminality rather than attempting to break it the first time.

But the fact that you think this sort of abuse towards anyone in the care of the state, let alone a minor, is both amusing and acceptable shows how much of a backwards revolting cretin you are. Get in the fucking sea.

Edited by melbourne_terrace: 26/7/2016 09:00:27 PM

Toughlove I don't get why you are attempting to character assassinate Dylan in this way. I haven't seen anyone suggest that he hasn't gotten up to some pretty bad things :-k I have seen some suggest that maybe some of the things that have happened to him over the various times he's been in prison haven't helped him and may have made things worse.

I get that there are bad things that are happening to kids all over Australia and it's despicable but that doesn't diminish this issue particularly when the state have such a hand in it which should be a model citizen.

Do you not think that had he been dealt with differently at 9 or 10, he wouldn't be where he is today?

The Adults in his life/system failed the 10 year old Dylan

It's not character assassination if it's true.

He was/is a shit.

They were rioting before that happened and they'd threatened staff.

Not once have I said what happened was OK but it is understandable that a violent, spitting shit of a kid got belted up for, you know, being a violent spitting shit of a kid.

5 years this bloke has been a criminal. 50 offences. Which bit of that do you not understand.

Some people are irredeemable and not able to be rationally engaged.

A few of you fellas need to step out of your cosy little lounge rooms every once in a while.


Edited by toughlove: 26/7/2016 09:27:20 PM

And fuck you too turbo.

If that was your kid knocked unconscious and kicked in the ribs and robbed or your dad that nearly got run over by a car or any other of the dozens of offences he committed against you or someone in your family you wouldn't be sprouting such garbage.

Clearly he's thick as fuck because you'd think after the first dozen or so visits to the magistrate, the counselors, the elders and other DOCS staff he might have had an epiphany and thought to himself maybe this caper's not for me.