For those of you who enjoy arguing about whether it is "its" or "it's".
For those of you who feeling like throwing their laptop out the window when somebody says something about using poor grammar but spell it "grammer".
For those of you who like to ponder the various uses of "whose" and "who's".
And for somebody to be able to explain to me the necessity for the word "whom".
^^^ For those of you that like to complain when somebody starts a sentence with the word "and".
For the people who like to say loose instead of lose.

Please voice your complaints and questions here...

I won't answer them but somebody probably will.

The thing that shits me the most is apostrophe misplacement. Surely it's not too difficult to figure out where to put them.

"Your" and You're". It's really not that hard to figure out:

"Your"-is an indication of possession.
"You're" equals you are.

Comments such as "your an idiot" really annoy me.

My biggest nit pick would have to be new and knew.

I bought a new car from Barry. I knew him well.

New-Denotes something that is strange or uncommon to you.

knew- is actually the past tense of Know.

Grammar edit. I lol'd as well.

Edited by Rocknerd: 27/7/2010 04:45:28 PM

anth, your second point has a grammatical error. But of course, you designed it that way; using irony to highlight another irony. ;)


Who is less specific than whom. As far as I can remember, it has something to do with subjects and direct objects:
Convo 1: "He choked the man with the vuvuzela." > "Who choked the man with the vuvuzela?" ("I" being a subject)

Convo 2: "Scouse Roar choked the man with the vuvuzela" > "It was whom that choked the man with the vuvuzela?" (S_R being the direct object)

I think that's how it works; I'm no grammarian. Just think, "For Whom The Bell Tolls" - that's what I do. :P

What about using a comma before the word "and"?

Eg. I met up with Tony, Paul, James[,] and Greg.

I have been told by people not to use it and by others that it should be there.

No comma before the and I reckon

It varies depending who you are writing for and what you are writing. IIRC it has something to do with American vs British English. Unless you're writing an academic paper, I don't think it really matter these days. Personally, if I'm listing things like that I use an ampersand [&] - I haven't been pulled up for it yet. :P

Edited by martyB: 27/7/2010 04:49:21 PM

Thanks martyB. I just bought a second hand copy of "For Whom The Bell Tolls" for $8 at a bookshop in Cronulla... So weird that you bring that up.

I always think of it as "To whom it may concern". But I don't think I have ever used the word 'whom' in normal speak.

One thing that kind of pisses me off slash I find completely hilarious is when people pronounce an h before the w in words like whom, whisk, where etc.

One more thing I don't understand is the difference between whisky and whiskey.

I am incredibly susprized that the "Grammar Time.gif" hasn't popped up yet

The problem is not always grammar, it is people who cannot spell.

It's only funny when Funky does it TBH.

Using the Comma Splice

The comma splice joins two independent clauses with a comma. Below is an example.

I saw the itinerary, I want to join.

In this sentence, a comma connects two independent clauses. To correct this, you can either put a period after the first independent clause or add a conjunction after the comma.

I saw the itinerary. I want to join.
I saw the itinerary, and I want to join.

Firstly, it's 'For Whom the Bell Tolls' as it's not a direct quote. ;)

When people say 'when' from the lungs [h-when] it sounds badass. Listen to Malcolm X and other well spoken Americans from a while ago.

The most unforgivable orthographic failure is when people accuse you [in written/text] of being a retart, instead of a retard.

Language evolves; most linguists would, today, accept the usage of "who" instead of "whom" in most cases. I don't think I ever say "whom"; the phrase you mentioned would certainly be the only time I ever write it.

It shouldn't be written as two sentences, it should use a semicolon:

"I saw the itinerary; I want to join."

No, there is no rule - it's a stylistic thing. But I do tend to use "" for quotes and '' for titles. Freudian slip.

The worst one I've been noticing of late is people using his and he's in the wrong context, absolutely does my head in.
e.g "His not home"

People who don't know the difference between "lose" and "loose".

It's frustrating when somebody says...

"You loose!"

God damn it!!!!!!

Ahhhh, I new ( ;) ) their ( ;) ) were people who get a little worked up about these! The simple one's annoy me more...
I.e. There, their and they're. Too and to. Also, you're and your... They probably top my list.

Comma and apostrophe placement don't bother me too much...

This whole thread reminds me of Scary Movie 4. The rip-off of The Village in that court battle, "I am for it, I'm against it"

'Then' & 'than'. Generally, in any forum frequented by a high proportion of under 25's, most use both incorrectly. In a forum such as this with the average age closer to 7years, (ok, an exaggeration, but it seems that way at times) the majority use both words incorrectly &/or aren't aware the word 'than' exists and haven't clue of the meaning of 'then'.

ehoneedspellingandgrammaitsaninternetforumyousearntallenglishteacherssonahnahmnahsahnhjk

There's one thing that REALLY irks me, but I can't remember what it is right now :lol:

Something makes me think it starts with D. 'de'-something as opposed to 'di'-something.

It will come back to me. :lol:

:lol: Den't worry about it, there is no need to be diluded. :lol:

Just quietly Heine loves to say expirience. :P I have picked up on it a couple of times.

Very quietly!

Thats another - quiet and quite...

I want to remember what this 'de' thing is! It's a pretty common error around these parts. If all else fails I'll just troll through AF until I find someone making the error. :lol:

It probably doesn't start with a 'de/di' and I'm just throwing myself off.

Edited by imnofreak: 27/7/2010 09:08:05 PM

This.

I just can't take people seriously if they don't know how to spell or construct a sentence. I don't care if we are on an internet forum. It's still communication. If you spoke like that to me in person I wouldn't know wtf you were on about.

Its because most of my generation and below fail at reading. A lot of people just aren't interested in reading books any more, whereas I've been reading them since I was a kid.

The most important hing to remember about whom is that it is only used during a querie, it replaces who in a question when the who is the object of the question.

Marty did a good job of using it in a sentance.

My pet peeve is resigned as opposed to re-signed. They mean completely different things!

There are indeed a disturbing number who do not seem to know how to use the space bar...

A friend of mine met this girl and exchanged numbers, only to receive the following text:

"haha purf3kt ima b!z 2m0z w!t w0rk n hav 2 play mwa s0cca game az well ;P
alz yu hav 2 d0 ish wat3va ur heaRt des!res p!k a tym n placen ima b dere x"

How does somebody even talk like that?!?!?!!?


Edited by imnofreak: 28/7/2010 11:59:45 AM

I couldn't talk like that even if I tried. It's easier to just talk normally:lol:

Wow. Does she live in Campbelltown?

:lol: No.

Riverstone :p

FFS its easier 90% of the time to type an sms properly than type utter shite like that.

purf3kt instead of perfect ffs :roll:

I've also heard of HSC students using pathetic grammar and spelling like that in their English exams!

The world is doomed.

^This. FFS, it takes less than 5 minutes to learn how to use T9 predictive text.

Wow! That is poor... I finished in '98, so that was never really an issue for us. But, if that is the case then you're right; DOOMED...

My mum says when I was in kindergarten I brought home the 1st book that I could "read". I proceeded to "read" it to Mum with the book closed and still in my backpack.

The thing I hate with grammar is how to numbers. If you are stating a year you use the numerical symbols (2010) but if you are stating something like a crowd number in your sentence you have to spell it out (nineteen thousand, five hundred and fifty six). I got pulled up all the time when I was at school.

Speaking of numbers... which formatting do you prefer?

1,000,000 or 1 000 000 or 1000000?

Personally I'm a sucker for a good comma.

I use all three. When I am doing rough drafts I use the third option unless I start getting confused about how large the number is. I then add the commas. When I am submitting work I use the spaces.

I hate it when people use a comma as a decimal place it confuses me.

Same.

Mobiles and SMSing became more common in 1999 for me. No one really had a mobile in 98 (and in school).


Exactly. And it takes 5 seconds to add in your own words. "fucken" and "shit" are the first ones always added to mine :lol:

:lol: "shit" was already in mine. :P

This:



Hence why. I me think feel it both can be is serving performing the a same similar function job.

TBH I thought you would have mentioned the "ain't".

I've never noticed that tautology...

This has nothing to do with grammar. But spelling wise the new FIFA 11 ad has been giving me the shits. Its centre, not center

grammar's only needed in certain circumstances, but on a forum, who needs it? just as long as you can spell you're away

but i do get annoyed when people say we're versing this team, you play a team, you don't 'verse' them, arrghh!! #-o

Yeah, I never understood the whole versing thing...

I know, its a forum but you (not you specifically) also need to consider the people who are reading your posts. It takes all of half a second to hold the 'shift' button down to give names and sentences capital letters etc...

To be honest, I actually think it increases the quality of posts throughout the forum.

Imagine having to read pages and pages of text speak?! You wouldn't last long...

YES! So much! So many kids say that at my work (laser tag). Asking if they can 'verse' each other on Daytona etc... It makes me think they will be having a poetry-athlon or something.

yeah, i don't use text speak as i completely agree it can be annoying, especially if you don't understand some of it :lol: but your right about me not typing with capitals, probably won't change though, can't really get out the habit

writing down something i always use proper everything though

Edited by gooner4life_8: 28/7/2010 05:50:42 PM

When I first joined up I didn't use capitals either. But you really should, it makes things easier to read and it isn't hard to do.

Just my opinion. ;)

Have you worked out that de/di thing yet?

:lol: Nope. I gave up on trying to work it out, it will come back to me eventually.

Like I said, it's probably not what I think it is and I'm throwing myself off.

I hate it when that happens. Like trying to remember somebody's name...
Thought process... It starts with L... Lisa, Lauren, Larissa.... nope.... A friend says "Is it Melissa?"... Ahhh yeh that's it :lol:

Thats a bigger killer...

"Hence why" in this circumstance is incorrect.

If say, you asked a question saying "Why are Liverpool better than Manchester United?", it would be perfectly acceptable to go "[argument a], [argument b], [argument c]. Hence, Why Liverpool are better than Manchester United."

My big gripes are with people who use 'text talk' - you're a fucking 'tard if you post like that - or people who can't tell the difference between You're/Your, We're/Were/Where or There/Their/They're. I mean, really?

One of my gripes that I just thought of is referring to products by a brand name. Admittedly I do use some of these. But common usage has made the brands synonymous with their respective products - good for the companies I guess.

eg:
"I need a panadol." Panadol is a brand, you need a pain-killer or paracetamol.
"I need a band-aid." Band-Aid is a Johnson&Johnson brand, you need to harden the fuck up.
"Get me a coke" (implication is usually more toward wanting Coca-Cola specifically rather than just any cola, but the fallacy still occurs when they really just want a cola).

"iPod" seems to be the universal term for '[portable] MP3 player' these days also.

There are others I can't recall right now. But you get the picture.

Funnily enough, 'google' became an accepted verb. :lol:

:lol:

"I need an Eskey" is still better than asking for the "Chully bun".

That pisses me the hell off. Mind you, that speaks to the sheer volume of market share they hold.

This speaks to the volume of the market share they all hold (or once held). This form of colloquialism irks me, but at times things are just so synonymous with a particular brand that I don't really mind it. I can understand an older person who isn't tech-savvy referring to MP3 players as iPods. On MSN earlier you actually referred to my MP3 player as an iPod. :P

That Band-Aid response I have used before. Freudian slip on my part, until he showed me his cut... "actually, skip Bunnings, head to the medical centre." :lol:

I thought you'd said you bought an ipod a couple of weeks back. I forgot you had that Cowon.

Fair enough.

I lol'd.

At least we don't say "go xerox it" instead of "photocopy it" or "get a kleenex" instead of tissue.

I hate the iPod reference too. It just shows ignorance of better products out there.

My mates called toasties "Breville's". His whole family does... I don't fucking know why perhaps they have had a Breville appliance to make them for years or something. That pisses me off.

My grandmother calls the vacuum cleaner a "Hoover". Even though "Hoover" is a brand and she doesn't have a "Hoover". :lol:

My grandfather calls any device that can produce the soothing sounds of radio ABC Victoria a wireless, even if it happens to be a CD player in a car.

Bout time you showed up with that...

The saying "I could care less". Even more so if you were to try and explain to the person how this is wrong, as they'd just retort, "I could care less". Brain explosion.

I'm very dissapointed in Imno. I was expecting him to have posted it almost straight away.

My family call them 'Breville's'. It annoys me when they say it too.

This is an English use of language. Jaffals or toasties are called Brevilles because they were the popular brand that made the device that cooks them. The same goes for Sharpies (felt tip permenant markers), Cello Tape (sticky tape) Print Stick (glue stick) and the list goes on.

I call them Jaffels.

Must be an Aussie thing

/racist card :P

I also call it a jaffal, but my wife's family call them roastie toasties :lol: cracks me up every time I hear it!

I would always get pulled up on how I pronounce things, for example I say oven instead of uven like 99% of people born in Australia - used to crack up my staff when I ran a pizza store.

+1
The same mistake is done with metre. In the Australian English I was taught metre is a unit of length, a meter is a device used to measure something. In American English only meter is acceptable. It pisses me off when spell check keeps on trying to correct my Australian English to American English or people tell me I am wrong for writing it the correct way.

Roastie toasties FTW! :lol:

Roastie Toasties?

Which part of a toaster has an oven that roasts bread?

only the best dam kind :lol:

I think you will find that sandwich presses (or whatever you want to call them) toast the bread but 'roast' the ingredients inside.

Seems like roastie toasties are my new fav name for toasted sandwiches.

Other wise known as a sandwhich press. Not a cafe press but one that turns the sandwhich into two little pockets of hot goodness.

oh god, how embarrasing :oops: :lol: i meant you're, i know it's you're, that was just an honest mistake

:lol: Yeah I know what it is. What I was getting at was how did that name come about? Roasting is done in an oven for meat. Putting bread in an oven is baking. And this is doing neither.


:-k :-k :lol: :lol:

Original content. Yay!

Hoover is the one that really pisses me off. As I said before, same thing with Esky.

Or when it's the other way around, when people call a Hills Hoist a Clothes Line. It's not a clothes line, it's a Hills Hoist.

:lol: I ALWAYS call it a clothes line.

A Hills Hoist the colloquial term for a rotary clothes line.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hills_Hoist

There are specific patents to the design that makes it different to a standard rotary clothes line (fucked if I know what).

So you agree that it's a rotary clothesline, thus a clothesline :roll:

Unique features and patents or not, it serves the same purpose. By definition a clothes line is simply any cord strung between two points to hang clothes on.

Actualy, by definition a clothes line is a cord strung between two points with clothes on it, otherwise it's just a cord strung between two points.

This is the context in which the line exists. Whether it bears a load is irrelevant.

Semantics fail on your part.

lol, no. You would say "This is why liverpool are better...". Something like that. If you wanted to use 'hence', you'd say: "liverpool has won more trophies, hence my understanding that they are a better team".
The only time you could say hence and why together is if the hence was used as a discourse particle [serving an important yet non-standard function]. Even then it would be informal/non-standard/not exactly correct.
(You may have me by default here; I dont want to come across as a prescriptivist and so realise that anything is acceptable if the context allows :P)

If you use that same attitude (descriptivist) towards text-speak then you'd know that opting for a shorter alternative when communicating through technology serves a legitimate time-saving function. I do agree however that substituting or placing additional random letters in, eg. mu51cck (music) is pretty much unforgivable. Its only acceptable if youre trying to show some sort of group identity... and if thats the case then I fuck your stupid group.


I cant recall what its called when one brand name is universally used to name a product and its pissing me off.

If you were writing formally, or even an opinion piece, you'd quote the original question or contention, therefore it would be acceptable. It may not be the way you would go about it, but it's an acceptable use of the word. However, I agree with what you're saying that people using "hence why I took a shit", if they're (for instance) retelling an anecdote is bloody annoying.

I completely disagree with that, it takes me longer to decipher your "ur", "lol", "dats gr8", etc. than it does for me to read queen's english, or for the sender to even type it in normal english, especially when all phones come with the T9 function today and people don't use standardised abbreviations, my mother (#-o) uses 'da' to refer to my father, instead of the commonly accepted 'the'. I refuse to resond to text messages she sends me with abbreviations.

"Commercialism".

What about the good old well hated text message containing all of 'k'?

"k" or "y" #-o

What if she's dry?

:lol: Was waiting for something along those lines.

Sometimes when I get texts about "If i'm going out tonight?" I simply write back "Yes" to piss of my close mates. :lol:

Then I call them to organise.

Both together would be acceptable, but on their own, not so much.

Genericised trademark

Not strictly what we were discussing, but the same principle.

Edited by martyB: 30/7/2010 08:50:46 PM

I swear there was a thread about this at some point a while back...

This one, I believe:
http://au.fourfourtwo.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7

I think I know the one you're talking about, but can't remember how far back it was...

Edited by martyB: 30/7/2010 10:00:09 PM

I HATE when people say 'Y-all' as in 'what y-all doing?' Seriously it just shits me up the wall!

I think you mean "y'all". As in "You all".